You want to abolish the Welfare State?

Just to point out, 100% employment is impossible.

Personally I think if you're (this bit is general & not aimed at the user I'm quoting btw) going to get up on your high horse about losing a bit of 'your' money then you're a bit of a douche. To most people affected by the top rate of tax, the amount of money they 'lose' is pretty irrelevant and would only serve to buy them a few more luxuries anyway. It's much better spent on treating people in hospitals, or giving kids the best possible start in life in school.

Yeah, there are some scrounges who need to be dealt with, but as proved earlier its a minimal amount, especially in comparison to the large proportion of big companies that are evading billions in tax. Of course these people need to be dealt with, but we shouldn't use them to label people who actually rely on the benefits system (just like we shouldn't label all rich people as tax avoiders who only care about themselves, I should add).

One of the main things the Gov should do is educate people more, especially at a younger age. There should be a bigger emphasis on debt management, how to get a mortgage etc. in school, then you wouldn't get as many people getting themselves in a mess.


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Why?

Have you ever read about the connection between poverty and a high birth rate?

It's obscene when you think about it, earn £150,000 and only see £75,000 in your bank account. Of course, what most people did when the tax rate went up was to start finding loopholes to avoid paying tax altogether or reduce the amount they pay.

No... I have grown up with people from these families and girls who have these kids though...

I personally think the welfare state is very important, having had grown up with my mum losing her job etc & having 3 kids to look after. It helped my family crucially. However i believe that the welfare system should act as a kind of employment. I.E those who recieve it should do things that help the community i.e. Litter picking, planting in local parks , Youth clubs among many things for like 4/5 hours a day.This would deter away those that scrounge off it & encourage them to work.

Have a read on the subject then. Have a think about why this might be so.

Have you ever talked to people from this backgrounds?

It's obscene when you think about it, earn £150,000 and only see £75,000 in your bank account. Of course, what most people did when the tax rate went up was to start finding loopholes to avoid paying tax altogether or reduce the amount they pay.

Yeah I hope you're not referring to me as I'm arguing against the douche that doesn't want any taxation to help anyone else. lol

Nah, the only bit in reference to you was the 100% employment bit. I get what you mean, but you'll always have people out of work so it's impossible


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The second defintion is more properly called "capitalism".

Was in reference to an earlier comment

That's not how the tax system works. The 50% tax rate only applies to what you earn over £150,000.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm

Yes.

Why?

It's obscene when you think about it, earn £150,000 and only see £75,000 in your bank account. Of course, what most people did when the tax rate went up was to start finding loopholes to avoid paying tax altogether or reduce the amount they pay.

The welfare state is essential. It is here to stay unless government can find a system and an environment for economic growth that creates employment for EVERYONE perpetually.