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Women asking for rape?

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Original post by Rasberrie
I don't need to read your first post again.

I've already told you why people get mad about it.



There is no even if, it is unfounded, accept it.



Is it impossible to say a mugger has never mugged someone because they are wearing bright clothes? No, but we know the majority of rape cases don't happen because of that.

If it was true that only sluts got raped in this alternative reality my response would be: It is like telling gay people to not "act" or "dress" gay to avoid homophobia, there are plenty of homophobic everywhere does that mean gay people should avoid being themselves in fear? It not like locking your car.:rolleyes:

Also wouldn't YOU rather listen to the advice? http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/album.php?albumid=5795&attachmentid=168555

Having your boobs out in that dress isn't avoiding attention yet you chose to do it. Why is that? Or are you just disregarding consistency, self respect and morals to impress your anti feminist boyfriend?

Owned.


No, not owned. My boobs weren't out. You can only see a small part of my chest, and actually my severely overprotective father had no problem with it (and he's the kind of guy to not let his daughters were short skirts to school). And that was for my graduation. I was in a group of about 30 people and staying round a friend's house with 3 others.

Seriously I give up. You just go ahead and get mad at anti-rape ads :rolleyes:

Edit: just saw this part about my boyfriend. Are you seriously stooping this low? Ad hominem insults lend you such credibility...
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Reply 81
Original post by desdemonata
I know that. I'm saying that a rapist would be more likely to walk up to the drunk girl in heels than the sober one in trainers


They're more likely to target a drunk girl in trainers than a sober one in heels. :rolleyes:
Original post by Rasberrie
They're more likely to target a drunk girl in trainers than a sober one in heels. :rolleyes:


Yeah. That's why I said wearing certain clothes will contribute to the whole image of "drunk, alone, in restricting clothes" if a girl is drunk and alone, and that the other factors there (drunk, alone) are more important :rolleyes:

Do you actually read anything anyone says before replying? Seriously.
Original post by Rasberrie
I don't need to read your first post again.

I've already told you why people get mad about it.



There is no even if, it is unfounded, accept it.



Is it impossible to say a mugger has never mugged someone because they are wearing bright clothes? No, but we know the majority of rape cases don't happen because of that.

If it was true that only sluts got raped in this alternative reality my response would be: It is like telling gay people to not "act" or "dress" gay to avoid homophobia, there are plenty of homophobic everywhere does that mean gay people should avoid being themselves in fear? It not like locking your car.:rolleyes:

Also wouldn't YOU rather listen to the advice? http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/album.php?albumid=5795&attachmentid=168555

Having your boobs out in that dress isn't avoiding attention yet you chose to do it. Why is that? Or are you just disregarding consistency, self respect and morals to impress your anti feminist boyfriend?

Owned.


She has an anti 3rd wave radical feminist boyfriend??? :smile: wow, a guy with some self respect.

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Reply 84
Original post by desdemonata
No, not owned. My boobs weren't out. You can only see a small part of my chest


You're showing a lot of cleavage. Why not avoid attention? Why not a turtle neck?

And that was for my graduation. I was in a group of about 30 people and staying round a friend's house with 3 others.

Because no rapes have ever happened at high school.:rolleyes:

You should give up as you have no valid points.
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Original post by Rasberrie
You're showing a lot of cleavage. Why not avoid attention? Why not a turtle neck?


Because no rapes have ever happened at high school.:rolleyes:


No I'm not. If I was, I wouldn't have been allowed to leave the house :sigh:

Because it was a formal event. I had to wear a dress :rolleyes:

My point was, I wasn't going to be alone, and therefore I wasn't going to have the main factor that decides whether someone is vulnerable... So did it really matter what I wore? I knew I was always going to be around at least 3-4 other people the whole night.
You seriously need to chill a bit, you make several threads a day on the same issue, the same replies come back to you.
Reply 87
Original post by desdemonata
Yeah. That's why I said wearing certain clothes will contribute to the whole image of "drunk, alone, in restricting clothes" if a girl is drunk and alone, and that the other factors there (drunk, alone) are more important :rolleyes:

Do you actually read anything anyone says before replying? Seriously.


But how do they contribute to rape when they would get targeted in trainers if drunk? You act like rapists walk around the club measuring girls heel length.:rolleyes:
Reply 88
Original post by Carpediemxx
You seriously need to chill a bit, you make several threads a day on the same issue, the same replies come back to you.

Several implies more than 2. I've made 2, one yesterday and one today. The first one got deleted.
Original post by Carpediemxx
You seriously need to chill a bit, you make several threads a day on the same issue, the same replies come back to you.


Exactly, and this is a student forum not exactly full of a bunch of brain dead homophobic national socialist chumps. The people on this forum aren't experts on rape, but when someone gives someone advice to avoid a crime they are looking out for your best interest OP, regardless of if the advice is perfect or not.

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Reply 90
Original post by danny111
Why is this suddenly such a huge topic on TSR?


Noticed how all the OPs are Rasberrie?
Original post by Rasberrie
Several implies more than 2. I've made 2, one yesterday and one today. The first one got deleted.


Lets also include then the multitude of replies on this topic, it just remains that it is a bit OTT really on a student forum, rape is a horrible thing but i keep on seeing your name and spraying offence at everyone who disagrees with you
Original post by riotgrrl
I think it's because advice on not getting raped falls into two categories. On the one hand, not walking home alone at night when you're absolutely plastered is good advice for avoiding being a victim of crime in general, including rape but also things like muggings. It's really unfortunate that as a woman I feel unsafe in situations like that, and it's definitely something we should work to change, but in the meantime not making yourself vulnerable in that way is a good idea.

The problem comes with public figures telling women how to dress to avoid rape because
1. it ignores the fact that rape is largely about domination and power rather than sexual attraction
2. It encourages society to begin placing blame on victims for "encouraging" sexual attention.


The thing is, with regards to point no. 2, I again don't see why rape is so unique that it is the only crime where advice on how to avoid it is considered to amount to, or lead to "victim blaming". I've never once in my life seen a statement from an MP or police officer that actually says that victims to blame for getting raped, or any suggestion from anybody else that this is the case. The only thing I've ever seen is people like the OP, who are just looking for something to be angry about, trying to put words into other people's mouth, saying "Oh, you think it is the victim's fault do you?". This doesn't happen with any other crime, but rape just seems to be special for some reason.

With regards to point no. 1, I'd be interested to see the evidence for it. I'm unsure as to how anybody can claim to know what goes through a rapist's mind when they rape, and even then, also unsure as to how they can generalise their findings to every rapist. Intuitively, one would have thought that sexual attention must come into play somewhere - otherwise why would they rape, rather than just commit assault?

But even if you're right - suppose dress style has absolutely zero impact on the likelihood of getting raped, and this is just a misconception. It still seems to me like a huge overreaction. Okay, so somebody got ther facts wrong and had a misconception. Isn't the appropriate reaction just to correct them? I don't see how this suddenly makes them "A sexist disgusting excuse for a human being" and all the rest of it?
Reply 93
Original post by desdemonata
No I'm not. If I was, I wouldn't have been allowed to leave the house

Your father isn't the universal decider of cleavage. I can see cleavage that's not even debatable.

Because it was a formal event. I had to wear a dress

You can get neck length dresses. You didn't avoid wearing one that showed cleavage. Why not? Do you not want to be safe?

Also girls can wear suits or chose not to go at all and avoid any attention. Don't get mad I'm only pointing out ways you can avoid attention that you didn't take.

My point was, I wasn't going to be alone, and therefore I wasn't going to have the main factor that decides whether someone is vulnerable... So did it really matter what I wore? I knew I was always going to be around at least 3-4 other people the whole night.


All people who get raped plan on going home alone and plan on having their friends leave them?
Original post by Rasberrie
You're showing a lot of cleavage. Why not avoid attention? Why not a turtle neck?


Sorry, you mean why not a burka, don't you?

Original post by Rasberrie
I never claimed you did.

I have made no claims only asked questions.

You don't know what a straw man is, my question isn't based on a misrepresentation I never claimed you think they should wear burka's, learn to read, you'll suddenly see less strawmans. :rolleyes:

You still avoided the question: Why oppose parents telling their daughter wear a burka to avoid male attention?
Original post by Rasberrie
Several implies more than 2. I've made 2, one yesterday and one today. The first one got deleted.


Look if it happend to you people in this forum aren't against you, the world isn't perfect, it never will be, look, the people on here wether or not they appear to not be giving the best advice ever, aren't saying they want people to get raped for being vulnerable, the opposite in fact they wish it never ever happens, they are actually trying to look out for the victims, if you actually do have issues regarding this topic, go anon and ask for support, or talk to someone you trust about it.

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Reply 96
Original post by marcusfox
Sorry, you mean why not a burka, don't you?


So you're against burkas but not telling women they can easily avoid male attention by dressing differently? Seems legit.

Btw no women in islamic countries get raped right?:rolleyes:
Original post by Rasberrie
So you're against burkas but not telling women they can easily avoid male attention by dressing differently? Seems legit.

Btw no women in islamic countries get raped right?:rolleyes:


I am not against women wearing whatever they like, whether that is a burka or any other form of clothing. Parents do tell their daughters they can avoid unwanted male attention by dressing differently, and no one takes that as slut shaming or victim blaming. See my earlier point about you practically begging me to use the term 'avoid rape'.

You aren't going to answer the question then.

Why did you suggest something as innocuous as 'Why not a turtle neck' to desdemonata, but by my saying 'parents suggest their daughters cover up to avoid unwanted male attention', you say 'Why not a burka'?

Why would you do that if you are not claiming that my saying 'parents suggest their daughters cover up to avoid unwanted male attention' is equivalent to parents suggesting their children wear a burka before they go out?
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Reply 98
Original post by Rasberrie
Your father isn't the universal decider of cleavage. I can see cleavage that's not even debatable.


You can get neck length dresses. You didn't avoid wearing one that showed cleavage. Why not? Do you not want to be safe?

Also girls can wear suits or chose not to go at all and avoid any attention. Don't get mad I'm only pointing out ways you can avoid attention that you didn't take.

All people who get raped plan on going home alone and plan on having their friends leave them?


You seem to be ignoring the fact that she was pretty much guaranteed safety for the entire night. There was no attention for her to avoid and if there had been, she had enough people around to dismiss it without problems. The likelihood is she could have gone in naked and have been just as vulnerable.
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Original post by CJKay
You seem to be ignoring the fact that she was pretty much guaranteed safety for the entire night. There was no attention for her to avoid and if there had been, she had enough people around to dismiss it without problems.


PRSOM :redface:

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