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Geniuses who die poor

Most of the names are immediately recognized: Poe, van Gogh, Tesla, Socrates, Wilde, Melville, and Gutenberg.

Men who offered so much to society and had nothing to show for it at the end of their lives. We celebrate them now, thinking somehow they will live on in eternity. But they didn't live for eternity. When it mattered the most, they were alone. They died probably cursing society, not asking what more they could have done.

Live your life for you, not slaving away for society. It will never be satisfied. It will always ask for more until you have nothing left. Then you die and the cycle repeats. Drop out of the cycle, it's the only way to save you in this lifetime because change won't come for the foreseeable future. I think this is a good reminder that being selfish isn't necessarily a bad thing [unlike how society paints it]. These men all sacrificed their time to use their brilliant minds to make our lives easier and to entertain us yet were treated like dirt. It's extremely sad to read how these gifted minds were marginalised.

http://nanopatentsandinnovations.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/10-celebrated-geniuses-who-died.html

Put yourself first and live for yourself and not for the opinions and judgements of society.
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Original post by Ultimate1
Most of the names are immediately recognized: Poe, van Gogh, Tesla, Socrates, Wilde, Melville, and Gutenberg.

Men who offered so much to society and had nothing to show for it at the end of their lives. We celebrate them now, thinking somehow they will live on in eternity. But they didn't live for eternity. When it mattered the most, they were alone. They died probably cursing society, not asking what more they could have done.

Live your life for you, not slaving away for society. It will never be satisfied. It will always ask for more until you have nothing left. Then you die and the cycle repeats. Drop out of the cycle, it's the only way to save you in this lifetime because change won't come for the foreseeable future. I think this is a good reminder that being selfish isn't necessarily a bad thing [unlike how society paints it]. These men all sacrificed their time to use their brilliant minds to make our lives easier and to entertain us yet were treated like dirt. It's extremely sad to read how these gifted minds were marginalised.

http://nanopatentsandinnovations.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/10-celebrated-geniuses-who-died.html

Put yourself first and live for yourself and not for the opinions and judgements of society.


Quite an intriguing read. Antonio Meucci, another genius who died poor, was the real inventor of the telephone. He drew up the original plans for the design. However he was too poor to afford a patent and a flourishing businessman [Alexander Graham Bell] stole Meucci's idea, and patented it. Thus Meucii died heartbroken while Bell became rich and well known worldwide. The acts of fraud can be so devious and unfair, yet remain undetected by society. In our textbooks, literature, writing, we are constantly being referred to Bell when talking about the invention of the telephone, while Meucci is never mentioned.

However it makes me glad that people have started to dismiss Bell's claims of inventing the telephone, and have started to give Meucci credit (for example the US congress have finally accepted that Meucci was the original inventor, over a century after his death). Anyway I believe Meucci would have been happy to see the world as it is thanks to his invention, never mind whether Bell takes all the fame and fortune, because he simply wanted people to keep in touch with each other. Unlike Bell, Meucci was keen on improving people's lives rather than making money.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jun/17/humanities.internationaleducationnews


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Einstein, Marx, etc etc
Literature wise; Robert Burns.
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Socrates? You are kidding?
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Original post by Bill_Gates
Einstein, Marx, etc etc


I wouldn't describe Marx as a genius. Nor did he improve society at all. Given what his work has done to places where it is given any credibility, it is quite fitting that he died in poverty.
Original post by Barksy
I wouldn't describe Marx as a genius. Nor did he improve society at all. Given what his work has done to places where it is given any credibility, it is quite fitting that he died in poverty.


Are you kidding? Marx has had a massive positive effect on a whole range of political theory and social science. His writings have drastically influenced the way capitalism is treated, and helped bring a whole wave of workers rights and social welfare. Most countries in the world are better off, directly or indirectly from his writings.

Also, as a point, both Russia and China were taken from distraught overpopulated third-world states, to modern superpowers through socialist principles.
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Original post by Farm_Ecology
Are you kidding? Marx has had a massive positive effect on a whole range of political theory and social science. His writings have drastically influenced the way capitalism is treated, and helped bring a whole wave of workers rights and social welfare. Most countries in the world are better off, directly or indirectly from his writings.

Also, as a point, both Russia and China were taken from distraught overpopulated third-world states, to modern superpowers through socialist principles.


He's also indirectly responsible for the oppression and deaths of millions. Not the greatest of things to have in your legacy.
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Original post by Barksy
He's also indirectly responsible for the oppression and deaths of millions. Not the greatest of things to have in your legacy.


Virtually any invention or discovery can be 'indirectly' responsible for bad things. I don't see how it should paint the innovator differently if their intentions were not detrimental.
who out there is slaving away for society? people slave away for themselves, **** "society".
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Original post by Barksy
I wouldn't describe Marx as a genius. Nor did he improve society at all. Given what his work has done to places where it is given any credibility, it is quite fitting that he died in poverty.

He was undeniably a genius, his ideas may not have been enacted properly yet or it may be that the world is just not ready for them but he was an incredible man.
Original post by Barksy
He's also indirectly responsible for the oppression and deaths of millions. Not the greatest of things to have in your legacy.

He's really not though.
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Original post by Barksy
He's also indirectly responsible for the oppression and deaths of millions. Not the greatest of things to have in your legacy.


I am no communist sympathizer but I believe Marx, for his time, was quite an influential figure. The social and historical context of the industrial era was a bad one, in which a few individuals became rich due to the hard work of the poor. However I disagree with Marx that this was due to the right of private property, as the ones who got rich were simply kleptocrats (capitalism is not kleptocracy, nor is it corporatism for that matter). The dictators who used Marx's teachings were not real communists, as they created totalitarian states. If Marx had never preached his ideals, those dictators would have simply used other political ideologies to gain support. Marx and Engels were more-or-less social anarchists who believed that the state would wither away after the upper classes were dealt with. Unfortunately that was not the case...

I could say the same things about the Founding Fathers of the United States. They crusaded against the tyranny of high taxes and the statism of King George, and sought to keep America isolationist... yet the United States has troops in over 130 countries and has massive debts. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson...they would never have dreamt of how much the United States strayed away from the Constitution. This is why we have the Liberty Movement (influenced by Ron Paul) in the US and the Tea Party, and to some extent the Occupy Wall Street Movement and Anonymous


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This article reminded me of the Oatmeal comic about Nikola Tesla. Such a shame that he never prospered from his good work.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla
Edgar Allen Poe died a terrible death.
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Original post by Gwindor
Quite an intriguing read. Antonio Meucci, another genius who died poor, was the real inventor of the telephone. He drew up the original plans for the design. However he was too poor to afford a patent and a flourishing businessman [Alexander Graham Bell] stole Meucci's idea, and patented it. Thus Meucii died heartbroken while Bell became rich and well known worldwide. The acts of fraud can be so devious and unfair, yet remain undetected by society. In our textbooks, literature, writing, we are constantly being referred to Bell when talking about the invention of the telephone, while Meucci is never mentioned.

However it makes me glad that people have started to dismiss Bell's claims of inventing the telephone, and have started to give Meucci credit (for example the US congress have finally accepted that Meucci was the original inventor, over a century after his death). Anyway I believe Meucci would have been happy to see the world as it is thanks to his invention, never mind whether Bell takes all the fame and fortune, because he simply wanted people to keep in touch with each other. Unlike Bell, Meucci was keen on improving people's lives rather than making money.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jun/17/humanities.internationaleducationnews


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That is just so sad :frown:

But to be fair, it must happen even in the present day, people with great ideas, but no finance or anything to make their idea a reality, then someone else comes up with it as well and has the means to make it. Its just so sad :frown:
Original post by Barksy
I wouldn't describe Marx as a genius. Nor did he improve society at all. Given what his work has done to places where it is given any credibility, it is quite fitting that he died in poverty.


his work is the truth

unfortunatley it was interpreted in the wrong way

there are no shortcuts to communism

and one must get rid of a humans need to "get ahead" in life-through genetic engineering

then communism can be implemented


A recent example of a genius retreating is the maths genius gregory perlman
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Society is too big to cater for all by yourself. Without wishing to sound like a pompous ass, there's a great essay on reputation and glory by Montaigne (who died in a Chateau in service of King Henry IV) and how you shouldn't bother trying to forge a legacy for yourself and should only worry about what's happening to you during your own life.

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