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Chemistry needed for postgrad medicine?

Hi, sorry if this has already been asked elsewhere.

I'm currently in my final year of a Psychology degree at one of the top universities for it and I'm considering going on to do postgraduate medicine (probably the less intensive 5 year course, rather than 4 year fast-track) for 2014/15 entry. My A levels were Biology, Geography, Psychology, General Studies, and German and I got 4 As and a B, respectively, and I'm expecting a high 2:1 for my degree.

My question is whether I would need to do Chemistry A level? If so, would it be possible to cover it over the summer? (Is there anywhere that does chemistry A level short-courses?) Would it be enough to say that I'm planning on doing the A level in my gap year following graduation or would they rather I already had it?

Would appreciate some advice from those in the know!
Original post by skotch
Hi, sorry if this has already been asked elsewhere.

I'm currently in my final year of a Psychology degree at one of the top universities for it and I'm considering going on to do postgraduate medicine (probably the less intensive 5 year course, rather than 4 year fast-track) for 2014/15 entry. My A levels were Biology, Geography, Psychology, General Studies, and German and I got 4 As and a B, respectively, and I'm expecting a high 2:1 for my degree.

My question is whether I would need to do Chemistry A level? If so, would it be possible to cover it over the summer? (Is there anywhere that does chemistry A level short-courses?) Would it be enough to say that I'm planning on doing the A level in my gap year following graduation or would they rather I already had it?

Would appreciate some advice from those in the know!


Wow, we are twins! I studied Experimental Psychology at University of Bristol. Where are you?

You don't strictly NEED chem for post grad entry but it helps. I took it at evening classes at Southwark College in London but I'm not sure if they do it anymore. They don't get the best funding as they have high drop out rates (it's difficult working and doing an evening course!) and people don't always get very good grades.

I got into Exeter 5 year course and I didn't need chemistry, just needed the GAMSAT but studying chemistry A level helped me with this. You will most likely have to do some kind of entrace exam, GAMSAT, BMAT, UKCAT depending on where you apply.

A word of warning about applying for 5 year courses instead of 4 year Grad Entry medicine ones is that the 5 year ones are sooooo expensive. You are not entitled to a tutition fee as you are a grad. you can only get a maintenance loan (no grant). Whereas if you do the 4 year course you get most of it paid by student finance or the NHS. you only have to cough up about £3000 for the first year tuition fees and then the rest is paid.

So my degree in 2013 is going to be VERY expensive as I'm using all of my savings to pay for it! It's going to be £36,000 for tuition fees ALONE. Unfortunately I wasn't competitive enough to get onto one of the GEM programmes this year and as I got an offer from Exeter I thought I would take it rather than risking turning it down and reapplying to GEMs next year.

The graduate route into medicine is extremely competitive so you have to be very serious about starting the process. Trust me. It can be soul destroying but it's so worth it once you get an offer!!! :biggrin:

The exams can be expensive too. The GAMSAT costs about £300 each time.

There is so much more you should know, but I can't think of what else to say right now it's soo late :lazy:. You need to do a lot of research as different unis have different requirements and can be rather picky.

As you are expecting a 2i you should have a lot more choice of unis. I just missed out on a 2i so was limited in where I could apply to, you should be OK though. :smile: Check out the medicine application forum on here. It has lots of useful information about requirements etc. You have a lot of research to do!

Good luck. x

EDIT: Just seen your profile and realised you also study at Bristol. How strange. How are you finding it?
Personally, the course wasn't for me (hence the 2ii!) and I knew I really wanted to do medicine when I started it so was quite demotivated. So silly of me really! I really hope you are enjoying it though, some of my Psychology friends absolutely loved it.
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 2
Should probably mention that I got 8 A*s and 2As for GCSE, the As being in Physics and German.
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Original post by littleeggy
Wow, we are twins! I studied Experimental Psychology at University of Bristol. Where are you?

You don't strictly NEED chem for post grad entry but it helps. I took it at evening classes at Southwark College in London but I'm not sure if they do it anymore. They don't get the best funding as they have high drop out rates (it's difficult working and doing an evening course!) and people don't always get very good grades.

I got into Exeter 5 year course and I didn't need chemistry, just needed the GAMSAT but studying chemistry A level helped me with this. You will most likely have to do some kind of entrace exam, GAMSAT, BMAT, UKCAT depending on where you apply.

A word of warning about applying for 5 year courses instead of 4 year Grad Entry medicine ones is that the 5 year ones are sooooo expensive. You are not entitled to a tutition fee as you are a grad. you can only get a maintenance loan (no grant). Whereas if you do the 4 year course you get most of it paid by student finance or the NHS. you only have to cough up about £3000 for the first year tuition fees and then the rest is paid.

So my degree in 2013 is going to be VERY expensive as I'm using all of my savings to pay for it! It's going to be £36,000 for tuition fees ALONE. Unfortunately I wasn't competitive enough to get onto one of the GEM programmes this year and as I got an offer from Exeter I thought I would take it rather than risking turning it down and reapplying to GEMs next year.

The graduate route into medicine is extremely competitive so you have to be very serious about starting the process. Trust me. It can be soul destroying but it's so worth it once you get an offer!!! :biggrin:

The exams can be expensive too. The GAMSAT costs about £300 each time.

There is so much more you should know, but I can't think of what else to say right now it's soo late :lazy:. You need to do a lot of research as different unis have different requirements and can be rather picky.

As you are expecting a 2i you should have a lot more choice of unis. I just missed out on a 2i so was limited in where I could apply to, you should be OK though. :smile: Check out the medicine application forum on here. It has lots of useful information about requirements etc. You have a lot of research to do!

Good luck. x


Ah cheers for the help! Really good to find someone in exactly the same position as me! I'm also from London, so I would look to do a course at a local college, either in London or Bristol, depending on what I'm doing this summer. Would also get some tutoring from one of my mum's collegues if necessary.

The thing about the 4 year course is that it would be really intensive and would mean shorter holidays and therefore less opportunities to work in the holidays and earn some money. Plus a 5 year course, being less intensive, would allow me to continue to be involved in sport and societies, whereas I'm not sure the 4 year would allow that so much.

I've spoken to my parents and they're very supportive and would happily fund me through this, although I imagine I'll try and fund myself as much as possible out of respect and maturity.

Medicine has always been on my mind, but never really been a reality. I didn't even consider it when I was choosing A levels (although I was considering doing Chemistry!). Now that I'm at uni and I'm around medics, it just seems like something I should do. I've always been interested in what they were learning about and doing and it seems like a medicine degree would offer me far more opportunities in life. Trawling through graduate job websites is just so boring - nothing really stands out to me. I'm not interested in finance, engineering, management consultancy etc. which seem to comprise the majority of jobs on those websites!
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Original post by littleeggy
Wow, we are twins! I studied Experimental Psychology at University of Bristol. Where are you?

EDIT: Just seen your profile and realised you also study at Bristol. How strange. How are you finding it?
Personally, the course wasn't for me (hence the 2ii!) and I knew I really wanted to do medicine when I started it so was quite demotivated. So silly of me really! I really hope you are enjoying it though, some of my Psychology friends absolutely loved it.


I enjoy it as in that I find it all really interesting. Love the research side of things and all the sciencey aspects. But the course just isn't sciencey-enough and isn't particularly stretching (no offence). I feel like they could have filled the timetable out a bit more, although I do appreciate having so few hours!

I feel quite bad though - I haven't got involved in any volunteering stuff except a little bit in the holidays. I really should have done some RAG stuff or some of the UBU volunteering programs. Ah well... plenty of time for that in the holidays/next year!

When did you graduate? Just wondering if I would know you...

Do you mind me asking why you got rejected for 2012 entry?

Also, one thing that slightly bothers me is that, if I were to get in for 2014/15 entry, I would be graduating when I'm 27/28, which is pretty old! Would be almost 30 by the end of the foundation years!
Original post by skotch

The thing about the 4 year course is that it would be really intensive and would mean shorter holidays and therefore less opportunities to work in the holidays and earn some money. Plus a 5 year course, being less intensive, would allow me to continue to be involved in sport and societies, whereas I'm not sure the 4 year would allow that so much.


Well, the first year of the 4 year course would be really intensive (as it's 1st and 2nd year rolled into one) but once you get into 2nd year you join all the 5 year medics (in their 3rd year). The 5 year course isn't as intense in 1st and 2nd year but once you get into clinical years you won't have much time anyway so there isn't that much difference between the courses really.

Original post by skotch

I've spoken to my parents and they're very supportive and would happily fund me through this, although I imagine I'll try and fund myself as much as possible out of respect and maturity.


You might want to make sure they know that they will be paying out in excess of £36k for tuition fees! plus money for you to live on as I said before you only get a loan of about £5k a year and as you're not an independent student yet (not over 25 and haven't been working for 3+ years) it will be calculated on your parents income so you will prob get less ~ £3k a year, which won't even cover the cost of accomodation. It is a significant financial burden, so you have to think very carefully about it. If they are able to pay though then that's really great for you! :smile:

Original post by skotch

Medicine has always been on my mind, but never really been a reality. I didn't even consider it when I was choosing A levels (although I was considering doing Chemistry!). Now that I'm at uni and I'm around medics, it just seems like something I should do. I've always been interested in what they were learning about and doing and it seems like a medicine degree would offer me far more opportunities in life. Trawling through graduate job websites is just so boring - nothing really stands out to me. I'm not interested in finance, engineering, management consultancy etc. which seem to comprise the majority of jobs on those websites!


I felt exactly the same when I graduated. I just made the wrong decisions when choosing my A levels. I knew that medicine was for me when I was 17 but didn't want to stay behind and do chemistry and biology A level. I didn't want to be left behind while all of my mates went off to uni. So silly of me really.
Original post by skotch
I enjoy it as in that I find it all really interesting. Love the research side of things and all the sciencey aspects. But the course just isn't sciencey-enough and isn't particularly stretching (no offence). I feel like they could have filled the timetable out a bit more, although I do appreciate having so few hours!


It's no offence to me. I really hated the degree by the end to be quite honest. I just knew it wasn't for me and wanted it to be over as soon as possible! I became quite downhearted and just couldn't bring myself to study something that I didn't enjoy.

Original post by skotch

I feel quite bad though - I haven't got involved in any volunteering stuff except a little bit in the holidays. I really should have done some RAG stuff or some of the UBU volunteering programs. Ah well... plenty of time for that in the holidays/next year!


If you want to apply for 2014/13 you need to get some long term volunteering work in pretty soon, preferably medicine related. my medic profile is at the bottom of this thread: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=865511&page=28


Original post by skotch


When did you graduate? Just wondering if I would know you...

Do you mind me asking why you got rejected for 2012 entry?

Also, one thing that slightly bothers me is that, if I were to get in for 2014/15 entry, I would be graduating when I'm 27/28, which is pretty old! Would be almost 30 by the end of the foundation years!



I graduated in 2009. It took me a year after graduating to get my act together then started studying chemistry from 2010 - 2012 and took the GAMSAT in 2012 for the first time. Have taken it twice. It is a bitch of an exam.

I was rejected in 2012 because my GAMSAT score was rubbish. It was a bit of a 'trial run' application to be honest as the whole medicine thing was completely new to me. I don't know the exact stats but I think quite a lot of grad applicants don't get in first time.
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you dont need chemistry.
I've just got into KCL this year with a non science degree from Coventry and No chemistry at A level. They are more looking at you as a person and what you have done with yourself to stand out (a High UKCAT helps too!)
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Original post by lcsurfer
you dont need chemistry.
I've just got into KCL this year with a non science degree from Coventry and No chemistry at A level. They are more looking at you as a person and what you have done with yourself to stand out (a High UKCAT helps too!)


Thanks for the help! Definitely going to need to revise well for the UKCAT!
Post graduate medicine is what you do after you graduate as a doctor. You mean graduate entry medicine (GEM/GEP), and if you're talking about doing 5 year courses, you're simply talking about applying as a graduate to the undergraduate medicine course.

Pedantry aside, you don't always need Chemistry, and there are ways round it if you do. Aberdeen, for example, offer a chemistry summer school for graduate entrants who haven't covered enough chemistry in their undergraduate degree.
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Original post by Becca-Sarah
Post graduate medicine is what you do after you graduate as a doctor. You mean graduate entry medicine (GEM/GEP), and if you're talking about doing 5 year courses, you're simply talking about applying as a graduate to the undergraduate medicine course.

Pedantry aside, you don't always need Chemistry, and there are ways round it if you do. Aberdeen, for example, offer a chemistry summer school for graduate entrants who haven't covered enough chemistry in their undergraduate degree.


Sorry! Still fairly new to the lingo!

So would the same rules apply to a graduate applying for the 5 year course as school leavers, in that I would likely need Chem and Bio A level, a decent set of GCSEs and a host of WE/volunteering ECs? Would I be penalised in any way if I hadn't gained any relevant volunteering work or hands-on experience yet? I'm planning on filling my summer, but that's essentially only 3 months - is that long enough or would they want long-term committments? Don't know if it helps at all, but I did an 8 week internship over the summer in what is essentially the epidemiology department of the medicine faculty as a research methods intern. Worth mentioning?

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