We need to get rid of the "chav" culture

How on earth is it not their choice to be a tosspot? How? Explain me that please because I really would love to know. "Oh damn, I really shouldn't punch this defenceless drunk person but Cameron would hate it if I didn't"...

You having a laugh mate or what?

And I'd invest in the prison system. Tell them if they don't buck their ideas up that's where they are going. Get them doing jobs such as keeping streets clean etc so that we wouldn't need immigrants to come in and do the shit jobs... But I'm not a fool, this would be a lot harder than it sounds. We'd need a radical change in attitude in society.

The issue with benefits isn't how much people get but the number of people getting them. I do agree with you though, whilst I think the benefit system is essential, it does need a dramatic overhaul.


As for 'chavs' it just annoys me how for some reason our society seems to enjoy rewarding people for bad behaviour. It's like oh you enjoy engaging in anti-social behaviour, let me send you to all these places to keep you from getting bored and doing it again. Yet young people that haven't done anything wrong in there life get nothing.

It would be a kick up the arse for them to get themselves to work and take things seriously as soon as they realise the public aren't funding their lifestyle anymore.

Hmmm...
We have a welfare system for a reason - fundamental morals. Without benefits, these people would be left in severe detriment, especially as our work-shy culture still thrives. There can be no U-turn on welfare. Our country would face a moral outrage. We don't live in a hunter/gatherer society; we have to look after those who are disadvantaged.

It would be a kick up the arse for them to get themselves to work and take things seriously as soon as they realise the public aren't funding their lifestyle anymore.

We have a bloated welfare system for a reason - a hangover from Labour's power hungry bid to buy votes. As for morals, is it moral a single mother who works 9-5 has to part with her hard-earned money to fund a degenerate drug-abuser's comfortable life with his HD TV and 12 kids? I would argue not.

What is really wrong with the UK is the entitlement culture; it explains chavs and it explains those deranged left-wingers who flock to their defence.

Most chavs are given an education, but believe they don't need it, as in most cases their parents will have dropped out of school and are living off of benefits.
What the country needs to do is re-think its benefits system so that people can only have benefits for a limited amount of time.
Or, have a benefits card so that the council can monitor what they are spending their money on (e.g. alot of people living off of benefits have HUGE tv's, the newest iPhone, and smoke and/or drink etc. All of these are luxuries, they do not need them)

We have a bloated welfare system for a reason - a hangover from Labour's power hungry bid to buy votes. As for morals, is it moral a single mother who works 9-5 has to part with her hard-earned money to fund a degenerate drug-abuser's comfortable life with his HD TV and 12 kids? I would argue not.

What is really wrong with the UK is the entitlement culture; it explains chavs and it explains those deranged left-wingers who flock to their defence.

Would you rather the 'entitlement culture' or extreme poverty and eventual mass death of the poor? This might be an exaggeration, but when stripping away welfare what else is there left?

You can accept the truth of that without having to start treating thugs as victims. They are still a product of their economically and morally deprived environment - the more you try to push them down the less they will act like you.

I wouldn't say so. While there are plenty of working class people who don't want to be tainted by the label 'chav' (understandably) so they shout about how it only applies to certain behaviours and how they're working class and they HATE chavs, I think most of the 'chavs are scum and its OK to say that because rich people can be chavs too' stuff comes from middle class people who have only really associated with middle class people. There is a lot more chav hatred on TSR (middle class hub) than there is in my (fairly deprived) home city, although that could be because this is the internet rather than real life.

I wouldn't say it's an exaggeration. It's just that instead of mass death, it leads to total breakdown of society and possibly even rebellion. Which I guess can lead to death in the form of extreme protests/clashes the likes of which we see in undeveloped third world countries. I'd rather not.

Like Gina Rhinehart? or Richard Branson? People like that you mean? Do me a fucking favour.

It's a drain on the UK, it's a drain on society, it's a drain on our culture. It's just awful.

Most anti social crimes in the UK are committed by these morons, lets be tougher on them!

They stand for the "working class"? No they don't. I'm working class and I despise them.

It's about time we clamped down on these scumbags. All they do is drink or do drugs. They don't have jobs. The way they go on is appalling. It's time we clamped down.

Oh, and the thing that annoys me. "Oh, they need a cuddle. They just need support." No they don't. They need a kick up the arse. They need a prison sentance. They need a reality check.

These people are ruining this country by playing the "were working class" card.

It seems the major gulf in opinion here is between those who believe in personal responsibility and those who blame everyone else for an individual's problem. Chavs act like they do through choice; whether that is down to their probable stupidity or their area is irrelevant. Stop blaming everyone but them.

Only on here could people defend such a skid-mark on society.

'Chavs' have undeniably been failed by successive governments, but a cutback in welfare/benefits could only possibly work if significant investment was made in education, allowing people who actually want to change their situation to do so. Removing benefits and hoping that everything gets better obviously isn't going to work.

Yes, they've all started from the bottom doing hard graft setting up their businesses. They've worked hard so why shouldn't they profit now? Seems perfectly reasonable to me!

I'm not "defending them" or "blaming everyone else" and you have completely failed to address the established truths behind what I was saying. As I said, those factors are undeniably linked and your "solution" serves only to worsen the problem.

People are, to a large extent, a product of their environments, whether it fits in with your narrow conception of how the world works or not. Neither of us like "chavs", and I've made it pretty clear that I don't. It's just that I don't deny the factors that lead to people becoming chavs, which are abundantly clear. You should throw the criminals in jail, sure, but don't act like you'll get rid of that kind of criminal by making the places they tend to come from into even bigger shitholes.