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"Britain is a nation of mixed race mongrels"

"Britain is a nation of mixed race mongrels"

Okay fine.

Let's suppose this is true.

Does this mean if you are not a mongrel, you cannot be British ?

mon·grel
n.
1. An animal or a plant resulting from various interbreedings, especially a dog of mixed or undetermined breed.

2. A cross between different breeds, groups, or varieties, especially a mixture that is or appears to be incongruous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongrel_Nation

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/9850215/The_English_are_a_mongrel_nation_whatever_Channel_4_claim/

http://www.britishfuture.org/blog/mongrel-nation/

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 1

Messalina

15

Where on earth did you get that quote from? Britain is multicultural, that's it. Calling people mongrels just isn't very nice.

Reply 2

fishesnchips

I am Chinese and British as well. It does not matter to be honest.

Reply 3

Ultimate1

What is this I don't even...

Reply 4

miser

20

We are all African. Everything else is pedantic egoism.

Reply 5

Redolent

10

Original post by democracyforum

"Britain is a nation of mixed race mongrels"

Okay fine.

Let's suppose this is true.

Does this mean if you are not a mongrel, you cannot be British ?

No it means race isn't worth giving a **** about

Reply 6

democracyforum

OP

4

Original post by Redolent

No it means race isn't worth giving a **** about

mon·grel
n.
1. An animal or a plant resulting from various interbreedings, especially a dog of mixed or undetermined breed.

2. A cross between different breeds, groups, or varieties, especially a mixture that is or appears to be incongruous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongrel_Nation

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/9850215/The_English_are_a_mongrel_nation_whatever_Channel_4_claim/

http://www.britishfuture.org/blog/mongrel-nation/

Reply 7

scrotgrot

16

I saw an excellent copypasta in a recent thread of a rebuttal of the theory that Britain is a "mongrel nation". The argument was that all immigration until the 1950s constituted a relatively small percentage of the population. If the figures are correct, it's an interesting take on the issue.

Reply 8

chefdave

Original post by miser

We are all African. Everything else is pedantic egoism.

I visited London recently and I have to say your observations are spot on. We are all African.

Reply 9

username917703

17

Original post by chefdave

I visited London recently and I have to say your observations are spot on. We are all African.

Reply 10

Cornelius

4

British, as far as I understand it, is a civic identity. You can be British of Irish/Swedish/etc extraction. So no, no contradiction there.

Reply 11

weirdnessandcoffee

15

I remember seeing this term in my sociology book. 'Mongrel nation' which is mostly like an inside joke. Britain has never truly had one indigenous people unless you see Anglo-Saxons as them, we're too mixed.

Reply 12

apolocreed

10

Original post by Ultimate1

What is this I don't even...

Not tumblr...so by all means, finish the rest of your sentence.

Reply 13

laserocrates

Original post by democracyforum

"Britain is a nation of mixed race mongrels"

Okay fine.

Let's suppose this is true.

Does this mean if you are not a mongrel, you cannot be British ?

Let's suppose this is also true.

Does this mean if you are a person that makes up Britain as a nation, you cannot be British?

Reply 14

User1014865

17

Biologically speaking:

Diversity definitely is good for the progression of evolution.

Health wise (and maybe for other reasons what have not been conformed yet, or won't be due to political correctness), it's actually 'better to be mixed raced'. They're less likely to catch diseases that are prevent in certain racial groups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health#Multifactorial_polygenic_diseases).

'White genes' are generally more recessive than 'black genes', hence the 'white race is dying out' mumbo jumbo. The 'heterogeneosity' of genes within a 'mixed race' person is 'better' than the concrete, hard-wired homogenous genes within a 'black, Asian, and white' person. We're all 'mixed' however to different extents though.

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 15

Psyk

16

Original post by weirdnessandcoffee

I remember seeing this term in my sociology book. 'Mongrel nation' which is mostly like an inside joke. Britain has never truly had one indigenous people unless you see Anglo-Saxons as them, we're too mixed.

That's true of most countries though. Take France for example. It was inhabited by Gauls, then the Romans came along and presumably added to the gene pool quite a bit. Then Germanic tribes came along and did the same. Plus there's areas where other ethnic groups settled like in Brittany.

I don't think Britain is particularly a special case when it comes to ancient migration. Different tribes and ethnic groups have migrated, merged, separated, displaced, all over the world. The term "indigenous people" only has meaning relative to other groups of people. People of mainly Anglo Saxon descent have been here over 1000 years, so are indigenous when compared to people of Asian or African origin. And people of Celtic descent have been here even longer so are indigenous compared to Anglo Saxons. Although both have been here so long, I don't suppose you can clearly separate the two groups out based on genes, it's more of a cultural thing.

Reply 16

Swanbow

19

Yeah, there is a pretty drastic mix of Jute, Dane, Saxon, Angle, Roman, Viking, Celt and Norman flowing through British blood. That said I don't think that there is such a thing as pure race in most of Europe considering its turbulent history.