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    (Original post by The Humble Mosquito)
    Yes, let me echo this. I'd be very interested to hear how TSR Labour justifies Iraq whilst not getting involved into Darfur where genocide is occuring.
    TSR Labour didn't invade Iraq. Nor do we have the power to send the Black Watch to Khartoum or Harare.
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    (Original post by alasdair_R)
    Kinda - my point was more along the lines of 'Should it be a long-term aim of the party to secure the means of production in the hands of the collective ownership of the workers?'
    Personally I would say no, I would hope that in the long run the workers should have a much bigger stake in the way that things are run and that their wages should be higher, and that owners/managers should be much more accountable to their employees etc. But I do not believe that collective ownership is personally my long term ideal.

    However I can only speak for myself and not for the whole party as other people may have differing opinions.
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    (Original post by Dionysus)
    TSR Labour didn't invade Iraq.
    The Humble Mosquito didn't say TSR Labour invaded Iraq??

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    There is not a mere hint of the word 'invasion'

    (Original post by The Humble Mosquito)
    I'd be very interested to hear how TSR Labour justifies Iraq whilst not getting involved into Darfur where genocide is occuring.
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    (Original post by Lord Hysteria)
    The Humble Mosquito didn't say TSR Labour invaded Iraq??

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    There is not a mere hint of the word 'invasion'
    I think that what dionysus was trying to say was that the tsr labour party didn't choose to go to war with Iraq and in fact many do not agree with it so how can we justify something that many of us didn't agree with in the first place.
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    (Original post by Lord Hysteria)
    Does the Labour Party accept that the invasion of Iraq has resulted in an increased threat of terrorism? And what does the Labour Party intend on doing as a result of that?
    Yes, I accept this. Personally, I am undecided on what the next step should be. In a way, part of me feels that there should be a withdrawal of troops from the country. This would, however, leave the country incredibly unstable. (This is if it is a full withdrawal, including the Americans.) If it were possible to pull the British troops out, I would support the decision. When the war started, I believed that Saddam Hussain needed to be removed. The war after this has changed dramatically, and I no longer support it.

    What is the single biggest regret of the Labour Party, in terms of the home affairs?
    I don't know that there is a single largest regret. Many mistakes show themselves. However, if this question were to be asked of the TSR Labour Party, as is the first intention of this thread, I would have to say that we have no regrets.

    To what extent does the Labour Party consider the importance of such a 'relationship' with the US, considering the effects it has had?
    Pretty useful on the whole. A lot better than having them as enemies. Without the US as our allies the country would be a lot worse off.

    What real and substantial threat did Iraq pose to the UK, that justified our invasion of Iraq?
    The answer you want is 'none, we shouldn't have invaded.' However, I'd like to point out that the war was not launched for selfish reasons. We wanted to rid them of the weapons of mass destruction we thought they had, as Saddam Hussain had invaded other countries in the past. We also needed to free the Iraqi people of Saddam.
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    My question. Ok I don't mean to sound rude , but, what is the point of the tsr house of commons?
    (not strictly for the labour party but i'm sure you can answer)
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    (Original post by .Ed.)
    My question. Ok I don't mean to sound rude , but, what is the point of the tsr house of commons?
    (not strictly for the labour party but i'm sure you can answer)
    The tsr house of commons is just another part of debate and discussion. It is a mock parliament which is voted in by the users of TSR. It doesn't have any real power it is just something that we all do for enjoyment
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I think that what dionysus was trying to say was that the tsr labour party didn't choose to go to war with Iraq and in fact many do not agree with it so how can we justify something that many of us didn't agree with in the first place.
    There appears to be some confusion, I merely took the instance of correcting Dionysus as it appeared (objectively) as though he was dismissing a comment The Humble Mosquito made on grounds of something she didn't say.

    Nonetheless, as some-what of a representative of the Labour Party, correct me if I am mistaken with such an assumption, you take the burden of clarifying and explaining the party's positions, regardless of your beliefs?

    Am I to presume that TSR Labour have a different agenda or political manifesto?
    I am some-what new to this.
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    (Original post by .Ed.)
    My question. Ok I don't mean to sound rude , but, what is the point of the tsr house of commons?
    (not strictly for the labour party but i'm sure you can answer)
    It allows those of us who enjoy politics and debate to have a bit of fun.
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    (Original post by .Ed.)
    My question. Ok I don't mean to sound rude , but, what is the point of the tsr house of commons?
    (not strictly for the labour party but i'm sure you can answer)
    You don't sound rude. There is no 'point', but I think I speak for others in saying that we find it interesting and stimulating to debate with people of both similar and opposing beliefs. We are all interested in Politics, and the HofC is a great platform to exercise that interest. The TSR HofC holds no executive or actual power, just in case you were wondering..
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    (Original post by Lord Hysteria)
    The Humble Mosquito didn't say TSR Labour invaded Iraq??

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    There is not a mere hint of the word 'invasion'
    The question related to how we 'justify' it. We can't be expected to justify something we aren't responsible for, nor have expressed any support for.
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    (Original post by randdom)
    The tsr house of commons is just another part of debate and discussion. It is a mock parliament which is voted in by the users of TSR. It doesn't have any real power it is just something that we all do for enjoyment
    On a different but parallel note, how does one go-about starting up a House of Lords?
    That would be fantastic.
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    (Original post by Lord Hysteria)
    Am I to presume that TSR Labour have a different agenda or political manifesto?
    I am some-what new to this.
    I have mentioned several times that we are a lot more left-wing than the real Labour Party. So yes, we do.
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    (Original post by Jangrafess)
    I have mentioned several times that we are a lot more left-wing than the real Labour Party. So yes, we do.
    What exactly makes you more left-wing? What would you prefer instead of current Labour policy? Higher personal taxation? Public owenership of some industries?
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    (Original post by Dionysus)
    The question related to how we 'justify' it. We can't be expected to justify something we aren't responsible for, nor have expressed any support for.
    see my responce in
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...0&postcount=49
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    (Original post by sohanshah)
    As to this post quoted above, well yeah we do have a moral responsibility but going in all guns blazing will solve nothing. More people will die and there is enough poverty/famine in the area as it is. In my opinion, people have to keep patient over these inhumane crusades occurring in Africa. The situation will be resolved, not by fighting the militia of 5 countries at once, but by changin the atmsphere and political sense in those countries. The people there need to be taught and aided to sense: not tortured or killed to sense.
    I agree that the 'all guns blazing' approach is not the best solution, but a protective military response is bound to have a positive impact - it certainly did in Rwanda. Essentially, the approach of 'changing the atmosphere' will solve the causes of the crisis, but will not have any effect in enough time to save anyone now. Quite simply, it will be too late and when it comes to playing with human lives, too late is not an option.
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    (Original post by Jangrafess)
    I have mentioned several times that we are a lot more left-wing than the real Labour Party. So yes, we do.
    This sounds interesting, is there a link to your manifesto?
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    (Original post by Lord Hysteria)
    On a different but parallel note, how does one go-about starting up a House of Lords?
    That would be fantastic.
    What would be the point? How would it be different from the House of Commons (aka, a place where people are in parties and debate politics). What would you do? Decide that you, me and Jangra get to be in it? Sounds about as democratic as the real HoL :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Lord Hysteria)
    Nonetheless, as some-what of a representative of the Labour Party, correct me if I am mistaken with such an assumption, you take the burden of clarifying and explaining the party's positions, regardless of your beliefs?
    We are not representative of the Labour party in the way that you are implying. We are founded on similar beliefs (though not the same) to the real life Labour party but we are not here to justify or copy the actions of the real life Labour party.

    Am I to presume that TSR Labour have a different agenda or political manifesto?
    I am some-what new to this.
    Yup we have a different manifesto, you can probably find it if you search for general election in general discussion. Generally we tend to be more to the left than the RL Labour party.
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    Ok. Thank-you for your replies...
    The whole set-up is interesting,I would sign up but don't think i am quite into politics the same way as other members ,more of a part-time politicion...

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