Afghan plane crash caught on camera.

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For the first time in my life, I'm speechless! :O

Oh
My
God.

This is why I will NEVER go on planes.

EVER. :mad:

I've been on three holidays abroad by plane, but boy oh boy, this is scary. I'm eager to know what the cause of this was.

1:35 - poor puppy :/

looks like it was going up too steep which must have made it stall, and at that height there's no way your recovering it

RIP

Reply 23

Idle

Original post by PreppyNinja

For the first time in my life, I'm speechless! :O

Oh
My
God.

This is why I will NEVER go on planes.

EVER. :mad:

Yet I bet you will get in a car? You have more chance of dying in a car crash than a plane crash.

I saw this the other day and was shocked, it's like something out of a movie. I was talking to a guy on another forum who loads these cargo planes and he said it's unlikely but the only thing he could think was that the vehicles shifted.

Reply 24

Manitude

Original post by PreppyNinja

For the first time in my life, I'm speechless! :O

Oh
My
God.

This is why I will NEVER go on planes.

EVER. :mad:

If you compare the statistics of plane crash deaths and car deaths you might not say that. You're more likely to die in a car than a plane.
And in a plane crash you'd probably get a quick death, a car crash could be very painful/slow.

There were 800 worldwide deaths last year from air travel out of an estimated 2.5 billion passengers. That's a death rate of 0.00000032 deaths per passenger.

Compared to more than a million by car worldwide (source: wikipedia), let's estimate that all 7 billion people took a car journey in a year.
That's a death rate of 0.00014.

So as a VERY crude guess, you're about 400 times more likely to die in a car than a plane.

Sources: http://www.airportwatch.org.uk/?page_id=4775
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_incidents#Aircraft_Crashes_Record_Office_.28ACRO.29

Reply 25

Idle

Original post by Drewski

Looks like a complete engine failure/stall event.

You can hear the engines at full power as it comes closer to the ground while the pilot tries to correct the stall though, even if 1 failed it's not meant to be able to bring down a 747 (although it would have the most chance at take off.)

Reply 26

green.tea

Original post by Al-Mudaari

Also, it's interesting to listen to the cockpit black box recorders (the last words of the pilots before the crash), that can be pretty eerie. I noticed a lot of the times they don't speak (moments from crashing) possibly due to shock, but you do sometimes get; "we're going to die..." , "I love you (insert name)" etc.

Is there a "The sign says no smokiiiiiiiiiiing " BOOM!

?

Reply 27

Drewski

Original post by Idle

Fair point, hadn't heard the sounds first time through.

And yeah, with the extreme rate of stall there was little to help him out.

Reply 28

Jordan-James

Damn..

Looks like whatever cargo on the plane slid to the back and stalled the engine.

Reply 29

c471

Original post by Drewski

Fair point, hadn't heard the sounds first time through.

And yeah, with the extreme rate of stall there was little to help him out.

Do civvy contractors still do steep take offs and landings? IIRC steep take offs are a risk factor for stalls, and last time i stopped by, everybody still did the rapid descents and fast ascents. If your riding close to the limit anyway, cant take much coming lose to stall surely?

Reply 30

Drewski

Original post by c471

It certainly looks that way, doesn't it? Such a high a-o-a leaves little margin for error.

Talked a lot about it in lectures in uni and heard a lot of pilots mention it as a theory, but it's the first time I've ever seen it. And hopefully the last :sad:

Reply 31

Crystal Fighter

crazy, never seen that before.

Reply 32

Rooster523

Original post by Manitude

The most dangerous part of flying is driving to the airport.

Reply 33

SnoochToTheBooch

Original post by PreppyNinja

For the first time in my life, I'm speechless! :O

Oh
My
God.

This is why I will NEVER go on planes.

EVER. :mad:

lol that's ridiculous, I bet you do loads of stuff that you're much more likely to die doing.

Reply 34

PreppyNinja

Original post by SnoochToTheBooch

lol that's ridiculous, I bet you do loads of stuff that you're much more likely to die doing.

Yes, I may die in various other ways. But still I don't like planes. Never have. I had a family who died in a plane crash.

So I hate it still. :frown:

Reply 35

nosaer

Original post by Manitude

You're more likely to have a car crash than a plance crash, but you are certainly more likely to die in plane crash than a car crash. :tongue:

Reply 36

cleveradam

looks like the plane had lost all of its engine power then came crashing down

Reply 37

Origami Bullets

I spent most of my mid teens flying gliders, which ate essentially planes with no engines that take off at a similar sort of angle using a winch. To me, it looks a lot like what happens on a gliding launch failure (winch power failure / accidentally detaching from the winch) which in this instance is analogous to engine failure. In gliding, the first thing to do is get the nose down to prevent a stall, which clearly the pilots in this case failed to do (though it may not be physically possible in a jet), when there was a stall, a wing drop and a crash.

Truth be told, I doubt that the situation was recoverable given the angle they were taking off at, and the crash certainly wasn't survivable.

If anyone wants to take some comfort, then from personal experience of a mid-air emergency, your training kicks in and you do all you can to recovery the situation. It's very difficult to get scared whilst you are so intensely occupied, and I know that I only went to pieces on the ground. I suspect that for these pilots it was all over so quickly that the idea of terror barely came into it.

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Reply 38

cakefish

Very spectacular footage, yet very tragic.

Reply 39

Manitude

Original post by nosaer

You're more likely to have a car crash than a plance crash, but you are certainly more likely to die in plane crash than a car crash. :tongue:

It's probably not that much different. Last year nearly 800 people died in 120 incidents, 0.15 deaths per crash. I guess if you discount minor bumps and prangs then car accidents will still be more favourable, but not massively so.

This suggests that for every three million crashes which cause an injury, 40000 people die (in america, I feel it's possible to extrapolate the ratio to the whole world). So that's 0.013 deaths per injury. Which is only ten times less than before. Still quite different to the ~400 times I came up with yesterday.