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Cambridge Exams Year 12 and year 13 A levels

Hello guys,

I am wondering if we have to send in all results we have from CIE Cambridge Exams?

I am currently year 13 in New Zealand studying under the CIE programme.

Say I did bad in a subject, can I choose not to send it to the unis, or is it compulsory to send in all results?

All my Alevels are completed in a 2 year period, if not less, thus I am not worried of overtime issues.

In New Zealand, school year starts at Jan and ends in Dec, unlike UK.

Furthermore, Since i have completed 3 full A levels in a 2 year period , (year 11 and 12) As component sat at end of 2011, A2 component at end of 2012

and I am doing another 4 full A levels this year (year 12 and 13) As component sat at 2012 and planning to sit the A2 component end of this year, however, for 1 subject amongst this four, I am planning to sit at mid year 2013.

Thus, to put it simple, when I apply at October, I will have 4 achieved A level grades and 3 predicted grades. When I apply for med uni, do I have to send all 7 grades to them? Or can I choose my best?

Sorry for this long post and questions and thanks in advance for advices and solutions.

Lastly, if top in New Zealand or Top in the world awards any use in applying for med uni?
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Medicine only required 3 A levels (Most requiring Bio & Chem). Did you choose the wrong subjects? Otherwise you won't have any advantage of taking extra subjects.

It seems you want to pick and choose you A levels that you already have in the 2 year period, plus more that you will sit in future - this would make you over the A level 2-year limit.

Also remember to get some work experience under your belt and sign up for entrance exams such as UKCAT/BMAT if required.
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Reply 2
Original post by SilverstarDJ
Medicine only required 3 A levels (Most requiring Bio & Chem). Did you choose the wrong subjects? Otherwise you won't have any advantage of taking extra subjects.

It seems you want to pick and choose you A levels that you already have in the 2 year period, plus more that you will sit in future - this would make you over the A level 2-year limit.

Also remember to get some work experience under your belt and sign up for entrance exams such as UKCAT/BMAT if required.


The A levels I picked are the following

Chemistry, Math, Biology, Physics, Chinese Literature, English Literature, Further Math

And I don't think i'll go over the A level 2 - year limit, because

for Chemistry Math and Physics, I did the AS and A2 component at year 11 and 12, aka two years.

For Biology I did the AS component at year 12 and A2 only for half a year in year 13, so only mid year of year 13 and am ready to sit the exam, so aka 1 and a half year.

For Chinese Lit, English Lit I did AS at year 12 and A2 at year 13, so also 2 years.

For further math I did the AS and A2 part in year 13 only, so 1 year.

My query is whether I can choose which results to send, or should I send all?

Thanks for your reply.

I'm pretty sure the A level limit is calculated by individual subjects and not overall time or am I wrong?

Thanks for your advices.
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Original post by Bomb
The A levels I picked are the following

Chemistry, Math, Biology, Physics, Chinese Literature, English Literature, Further Math

And I don't think i'll go over the A level 2 - year limit, because

for Chemistry Math and Physics, I did the AS and A2 component at year 11 and 12, aka two years.

For Biology I did the AS component at year 12 and A2 only for half a year in year 13, so only mid year of year 13 and am ready to sit the exam, so aka 1 and a half year.

For Chinese Lit, English Lit I did AS at year 12 and A2 at year 13, so also 2 years.

For further math I did the AS and A2 part in year 13 only, so 1 year.

My query is whether I can choose which results to send, or should I send all?

Thanks for your reply.

I'm pretty sure the A level limit is calculated by individual subjects and not overall time or am I wrong?

Thanks for your advices.


I thought it was for overall time, in which case it has taken you 3 years in total (year 11, 12 and 13), but I'm not 100% sure. It would be best to speak to admissions at your chosen university to clarify this, especially if they require biology alongside chemistry.

So long as you meet the minimum requirements, you can mention all your results. However, bear in mind, if you are still taking exams you may be asked for an offer from those subject (if you are applying before A2 results).

I honestly think doing more than 4 A levels is an absolute waste of your time and won't look any better on your CV, but the choice is yours - only do as many subjects as you think you can realistically get an A or A* in whilst also doing work experience and a few extra curriculars.
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Original post by SilverstarDJ
I thought it was for overall time, in which case it has taken you 3 years in total (year 11, 12 and 13), but I'm not 100% sure. It would be best to speak to admissions at your chosen university to clarify this, especially if they require biology alongside chemistry.

So long as you meet the minimum requirements, you can mention all your results. However, bear in mind, if you are still taking exams you may be asked for an offer from those subject (if you are applying before A2 results).

I honestly think doing more than 4 A levels is an absolute waste of your time and won't look any better on your CV, but the choice is yours - only do as many subjects as you think you can realistically get an A or A* in whilst also doing work experience and a few extra curriculars.


Firstly thank you for your reply.

Uh, I'm sure its not overtime as my school have an accelerated programme where around 30 students at year 11 does AS math and year 12 do A2 math. Furthermore, these grades can be used together with the normal year 12 and year 13 grades, therefore I'd believe it to be fine.

In terms of subjects I believe there is no harm in doing more provided that I can get A* in most of them, with the exception of further math which I'm looking for an A (though my teacher will probably predict me an A*) as I am doing it in 1 year, and most unis don't consider it a separate subject to A2 math anyway. I would like to apply to Cambridge where I am aware that they look at UMS marks. Thus here is me asking whether I can choose which grades to send as I'm worried should I send in my lower 90s that would lower my average UMS mark, as I am not really sure what the three "relevant" subjects they choose in calculating the average are.

In terms of work experience, I have been shadowing an internal doctor for a total of six months now.

Thank you again for your reply and advices, and I will remember to sign up for UKCAT and BMAT

Do you have any suggestions for extra curriculum? I am currently doing Duke of Ed and forty hour famine but that is pretty much it.

Thank you.
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Original post by Bomb
Firstly thank you for your reply.

Uh, I'm sure its not overtime as my school have an accelerated programme where around 30 students at year 11 does AS math and year 12 do A2 math. Furthermore, these grades can be used together with the normal year 12 and year 13 grades, therefore I'd believe it to be fine.

In terms of subjects I believe there is no harm in doing more provided that I can get A* in most of them, with the exception of further math which I'm looking for an A (though my teacher will probably predict me an A*) as I am doing it in 1 year, and most unis don't consider it a separate subject to A2 math anyway. I would like to apply to Cambridge where I am aware that they look at UMS marks. Thus here is me asking whether I can choose which grades to send as I'm worried should I send in my lower 90s that would lower my average UMS mark, as I am not really sure what the three "relevant" subjects they choose in calculating the average are.

In terms of work experience, I have been shadowing an internal doctor for a total of six months now.

Thank you again for your reply and advices, and I will remember to sign up for UKCAT and BMAT

Do you have any suggestions for extra curriculum? I am currently doing Duke of Ed and forty hour famine but that is pretty much it.

Thank you.


I think you are required to state all grades rather than pick and choose, which is why I mentioned that you need to make sure you can get good grades in all of those subjects. I suppose if you're doing some sort of accelerated programme then it would be fine, but just in case I'd email unis ask about this.

DofE is fine, although a lot of people will have this, so I'd suggest something else also, although the majority of your PS should be focused on your work experience rather than extra curriculars. Just pick any hobby or sport you like but relate it to why this helps you as a medic students or in your future career (e.g. teamwork, managing your time etc).

I'm not sure how a 40 hours famine would count as an extra curricular.... I don't see how you would relate that back to medicine :s-smilie:
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Original post by SilverstarDJ
I think you are required to state all grades rather than pick and choose, which is why I mentioned that you need to make sure you can get good grades in all of those subjects. I suppose if you're doing some sort of accelerated programme then it would be fine, but just in case I'd email unis ask about this.

DofE is fine, although a lot of people will have this, so I'd suggest something else also, although the majority of your PS should be focused on your work experience rather than extra curriculars. Just pick any hobby or sport you like but relate it to why this helps you as a medic students or in your future career (e.g. teamwork, managing your time etc).

I'm not sure how a 40 hours famine would count as an extra curricular.... I don't see how you would relate that back to medicine :s-smilie:


Ahh, thanks again for the reply. I guess for forty hour famine I can state it shows empathy for others? I've been playing basketball and badminton for school team for 4 years now and you reckon its a good idea to state in my personal statement?

On the Cambridge site it states "Where students are successfully taking qualifications early, we would still want to see evidence that they can cope with a workload equivalent to three A Levels taken simultaneously" therefore I believe I meet the requirements as in all years of high school I have taken at least three A levels.

Thanks again for your replies and suggestions.

My query is though are there any other extra curriculums you can suggest me to do? For example like student council, I doubt I would even mention it as I believe most people do student council, possibly even more than DoE? Furthermore do uni put an emphasis on music, should I put my music grades in the application?

Thanks

Furthermore, do top in country/world awards help in applications, even slightly?
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Original post by Bomb
Ahh, thanks again for the reply. I guess for forty hour famine I can state it shows empathy for others? I've been playing basketball and badminton for school team for 4 years now and you reckon its a good idea to state in my personal statement?


I personally don't think you should mention the 40 hr famine. There are other ways of showing empathy without starving yourself. Not good for your health either.

Yes, sports show you work well in a team and are dedicated (for example), as well as balancing training with your A level workload. As a personal statement helper (do use our free service - click ' personal statements' at the top if you wish) I'd say sports are useful things to mention so long as your relate the skill e.g. team work to your career in medicine.



My query is though are there any other extra curriculums you can suggest me to do? For example like student council, I doubt I would even mention it as I believe most people do student council, possibly even more than DoE? Furthermore do uni put an emphasis on music, should I put my music grades in the application?


Furthermore, do top in country/world awards help in applications, even slightly?


It's totally up to you and depends on what you are best at and want to do. These are all valid extra curriculars. I don't know if student councils work differently where you're from but at my school only around 10 out of 250 were on the student council - so not everyone did this. Quite a few did DofE, but than a lot of people do musics and sport too. You don't need anything extravagant though - Cambridge are looking into academics more than anything (mostly in your grades) and interview but will be interested in your work experience too (which should form the bulk of your statement). However, they do like to see you can relax outside of studying so you need to put some sort of ECs in. If you apply to other unis, they will value this too. You are restricted by a word count, so I'd pick 2-3 extra curriculars which you feel give you the best skills as a student & doctor. Yes, I'd mention awards, briefly.
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Original post by SilverstarDJ
I personally don't think you should mention the 40 hr famine. There are other ways of showing empathy without starving yourself. Not good for your health either.

Yes, sports show you work well in a team and are dedicated (for example), as well as balancing training with your A level workload. As a personal statement helper (do use our free service - click ' personal statements' at the top if you wish) I'd say sports are useful things to mention so long as your relate the skill e.g. team work to your career in medicine.




It's totally up to you and depends on what you are best at and want to do. These are all valid extra curriculars. I don't know if student councils work differently where you're from but at my school only around 10 out of 250 were on the student council - so not everyone did this. Quite a few did DofE, but than a lot of people do musics and sport too. You don't need anything extravagant though - Cambridge are looking into academics more than anything (mostly in your grades) and interview but will be interested in your work experience too (which should form the bulk of your statement). However, they do like to see you can relax outside of studying so you need to put some sort of ECs in. If you apply to other unis, they will value this too. You are restricted by a word count, so I'd pick 2-3 extra curriculars which you feel give you the best skills as a student & doctor. Yes, I'd mention awards, briefly.


Thanks again for the swift reply. I will focus more on the work experience part in my personal statement and add in some ECs. In terms of student council, at my school its roughly 20 out of 250 students so slightly more than at your place, however not all of the 250 students are applying for medicine, neither are the 20 applying for med either but at my place quite a few of the 20, including me are applying for med, which I believe was their sole reason in doing student council anyway. However, I will put it into my personal statement and as you suggested briefly mention the awards.

Thank you very much for your help and preventing me from conducting some mistakes in writing my personal statement and the process of university admission. I have also as you stated emailed Cambridge, Imperial London, UCL and Edinburgh about my weird shall I say A levels process and hopefully will receive a reply soon.

Thanks again for your help :smile:
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Original post by SilverstarDJ
I personally don't think you should mention the 40 hr famine. There are other ways of showing empathy without starving yourself. Not good for your health either.

Yes, sports show you work well in a team and are dedicated (for example), as well as balancing training with your A level workload. As a personal statement helper (do use our free service - click ' personal statements' at the top if you wish) I'd say sports are useful things to mention so long as your relate the skill e.g. team work to your career in medicine.




It's totally up to you and depends on what you are best at and want to do. These are all valid extra curriculars. I don't know if student councils work differently where you're from but at my school only around 10 out of 250 were on the student council - so not everyone did this. Quite a few did DofE, but than a lot of people do musics and sport too. You don't need anything extravagant though - Cambridge are looking into academics more than anything (mostly in your grades) and interview but will be interested in your work experience too (which should form the bulk of your statement). However, they do like to see you can relax outside of studying so you need to put some sort of ECs in. If you apply to other unis, they will value this too. You are restricted by a word count, so I'd pick 2-3 extra curriculars which you feel give you the best skills as a student & doctor. Yes, I'd mention awards, briefly.


By the way, I know for Cambridge when we apply we have to send in UMS marks, what about other universities?

Thanks
Original post by Bomb
By the way, I know for Cambridge when we apply we have to send in UMS marks, what about other universities?

Thanks



I never applied to the other unis you are looking at, so I don't know. I think it's unusual to ask for UMS marks.
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Original post by SilverstarDJ
I never applied to the other unis you are looking at, so I don't know. I think it's unusual to ask for UMS marks.


Ahh, when we apply for uni in UK, we send our stuff to UCAS right? Does that include our UMS score? What I mean is for example I'm applying to the 4 unis listed previously, do I send an individual application to each uni, or do I just send the required items to UCAS and they will then send the required info for each individual uni to them?

Thanks again for your swift reply

Also, may I ask who exactly sends your results to UCAS or the individual unis? I've gone through the sample registration and Apply on UCAS main page yet I don't see a place to enter qualifications and results? Are those done by our own highschools?

Thanks
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Original post by Bomb
Ahh, when we apply for uni in UK, we send our stuff to UCAS right? Does that include our UMS score? What I mean is for example I'm applying to the 4 unis listed previously, do I send an individual application to each uni, or do I just send the required items to UCAS and they will then send the required info for each individual uni to them?

Thanks again for your swift reply

Also, may I ask who exactly sends your results to UCAS or the individual unis? I've gone through the sample registration and Apply on UCAS main page yet I don't see a place to enter qualifications and results? Are those done by our own highschools?

Thanks


When I applied to uni 3 years ago, we only had to mention the grade we got, and not UMS (I think it might have been optional, but not sure).

No, you enter your own qualifications. I'm not sure why this isn't coming up - perhaps post in the "UCAS and application" thread for more help. You won't need to submit your application until early october.
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Original post by SilverstarDJ
When I applied to uni 3 years ago, we only had to mention the grade we got, and not UMS (I think it might have been optional, but not sure).

No, you enter your own qualifications. I'm not sure why this isn't coming up - perhaps post in the "UCAS and application" thread for more help. You won't need to submit your application until early october.


Ahh ok thanks again for your help. I'll post in the UCAS and application thread to seek help.

Thanks for all your help until now.
Reply 14
Original post by SilverstarDJ
I think you are required to state all grades rather than pick and choose, which is why I mentioned that you need to make sure you can get good grades in all of those subjects. I suppose if you're doing some sort of accelerated programme then it would be fine, but just in case I'd email unis ask about this.



I have received reply from Edinburgh, while the other three unis haven't replied yet. Edinburgh said for my case they will look at the first three A levels I did, and since I have achieved A* in the three I have met the requirements, where they also stated that the remaining A levels will be considered and add to my achieved ones but will not be required, stating there won't be a conditional offer for this case, either a reject or an unconditioned, therefore all I need now for them is a good personal statement and UKCAT.

Edinburgh also stated that top in the country/world awards will NOT count towards my academic score, but rather they can count towards non-academic qualities like showing work ethics, whether why it comes under non-academic qualities I have no idea but that's what Edinburgh told me.

I hope this helps people who are in similar situations as me taking some A levels early, and will post if other universities I emailed replied.

Thanks again for your help
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Reply 15
Original post by SilverstarDJ
I thought it was for overall time, in which case it has taken you 3 years in total (year 11, 12 and 13), but I'm not 100% sure. It would be best to speak to admissions at your chosen university to clarify this, especially if they require biology alongside chemistry.



Imperial College London has stated that it is absolutely fine as well.

"
Thank you for your email.

Yes, this will be absolutely fine."
Reply 16
Original post by SilverstarDJ

I honestly think doing more than 4 A levels is an absolute waste of your time and won't look any better on your CV, but the choice is yours - only do as many subjects as you think you can realistically get an A or A* in whilst also doing work experience and a few extra curriculars.


UCL explicitly states the following
"
Thank you for your email.

All results would be used in assessing your application. "

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