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    The main thing that makes it look like a mistake is that they go over the top rope and fall sideways. If they want there to be a controversial ending they usually go over the ropes and land on their feet. It's got to be much easier to time it right that way. In this instance they got very lucky that a winner wasn't obvious. They did do a good job on the fly though.
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    I've watched this an unbelievable amount of times this week :adore:

    That frozen concoction that helps me hang on
    Wasting away again in Margaritavilla
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt
    Some people claim that there's a Rocky to blame
    But I know, it's old Stone Cold's fault


    :adore::adore::adore:

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    So Over the Limit tonight. One of those "filler ppvs" in the period after WM and before Summer Slam so don't expect too many shocks or exciting matches after all there's only 5 scheduled matches on the card.....well 6 if you include the Kane v Zack Ryder pre-show on Youtube.

    Here are my predictions:

    Kane beats Zack Ryder (The dude's a goof-ball and I can't see him getting one over on Kane just yet. This storyline would need a bit more developing and I think if Ryder's going to beat Kane WWE would rather it was at Summer Slam or a more fitting setting).


    Layla beats Beth Phoenix

    Layla needs a little bit of a run going and I wouldn't see the point in allowing her to win at the last PPV if they were only going to let her hold the title for little over four weeks. This is a feud which will brew on for quite some time.


    Kofi and R-Truth beat Swagger and Ziggler;

    I like Kofi and Truth as a pairing but I have to admit I'm surprised with the direction WWE are taking Ziggler in atm as I was under the impression (as was JR on his Twitter in January) that Ziggler was going to have a huge push. I think Barrett was too until he got injured. Perhaps Another loss will start a rift between Ziggler and Swagger and they part ways setting the scene for a singles rivalry and Ziggler's supposed "push"?


    Sheamus to retain the title:

    Again I can't see Sheamus losing too soon after WM. He's popular with the fans and I think WWE want to milk that for a while. I see a major feud between him and Orton intensifying over the next few months up to Summer Slam where Orton may turn heel to beat Sheamus. Jericho isn't meant to be full-time and not sure how much Rio has recovered from injury but I can't see either of those two winning tonight. I hope Jericho wins a title before his current stint with WWE ends although I'm not sure a heel Jericho is proving all too popular.


    CM Punk to beat Daniel Bryan:

    Foregone conclusion. Should be a decent match imo the two best technical wrestlers currently in the industry along with Austin Aries (who really needs to be in WWE). Again I see this feud building up for a while. I wonder what role AJ will have to play in all this? Perhaps a love triangle and her having a relationship with Punk to spite Bryan? Who knows.....

    And finally.....

    John Laurinitas to beat John Cena. Why and how I hear you ask?

    Well if the rumours on various sites are to be believed;

    - Laurinitas has been advertised in matches against Cena for several house shows and No Way Out.....suggesting that either he hasn't been fired or finds a way to stay in the job.

    - This is what clinches it for me; The stipulation is that if any WWE star interferes on behalf of either wrestler, their contract will be terminated. Remind me, didn't the Big Show get "fired" from the WWE by Ace? And that was some acting by Big Show crying and whining like a 7ft 700 pound baby (ok he weighs less than that).

    Anyways my point is that I think this is all one big stunt. The Big Show will interfere in the main event on behalf of Johnny Ace, take out Cena and Laurinitis gets the win.

    And here's the snag......as Big Show was "fired" he technically isn't a WWE employee and therefore his intereference wouldn't break the rules. And then on Raw the next night we'll see Big Show be re-hired and now Cena will have Big Show, Johnny Ace and (as advertised for a handicap match at a house show) Lord Tensai to deal with.

    I think this is all a throw back to the days of Stone Cold v McMahon i.e. the Boss vs the Star Employee except Cena's gonna get his ass whupped for a while before he finds his feet again (and his balls).

    That's me done.
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    [url]http://www.pwmania.com/artman/update-on-wwe-no-way-out-john-cena-meet-santino-hornswoggle[/url

    Advertising for WWE No Way Out at IZOD Center in East Rutherford, New Jersey on Sunday, June 17 is centered around the John Cena/John Laurinaitis storyline with Cena vowing that Laurinaitis has “No Way Out.” CM Punk and Sheamus are also advertised to defend their respective championships.
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    So wait, a Raw guy is challenging for the Smackdown title and a Smackdown guy is challenging for the Raw title.

    And for the FIFTH PPV in a row, there's a more important match (the main event) than the title match?

    What's the ****ing point?...
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    (Original post by nonotrly)
    So wait, a Raw guy is challenging for the Smackdown title and a Smackdown guy is challenging for the Raw title.

    And for the FIFTH PPV in a row, there's a more important match (the main event) than the title match?

    What's the ****ing point?...
    This is just it I can't imagine many of the WWE stars especially title holders being happy at constantly playing second-fiddle to John Cena. Perhaps they should rename Raw; "John Cena and friends".

    It seems that WWE have made explicitly clear who they regard as their premier asset and are prepared to give him top billing regardless of the fact he hasn't held a title in ages and more importantly....hasn't won at WM in quite some time. If anything his WM record is quite poor.

    Traditionally the main event at WM was always the World Champion vs the Royal Rumble winner but WWE have managed to spoil that moment of glory.
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    (Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
    So Over the Limit tonight. One of those "filler ppvs" in the period after WM and before Summer Slam so don't expect too many shocks or exciting matches after all there's only 5 scheduled matches on the card.....well 6 if you include the Kane v Zack Ryder pre-show on Youtube.

    Here are my predictions:

    Kane beats Zack Ryder (The dude's a goof-ball and I can't see him getting one over on Kane just yet. This storyline would need a bit more developing and I think if Ryder's going to beat Kane WWE would rather it was at Summer Slam or a more fitting setting).


    Layla beats Beth Phoenix

    Layla needs a little bit of a run going and I wouldn't see the point in allowing her to win at the last PPV if they were only going to let her hold the title for little over four weeks. This is a feud which will brew on for quite some time.


    Kofi and R-Truth beat Swagger and Ziggler;

    I like Kofi and Truth as a pairing but I have to admit I'm surprised with the direction WWE are taking Ziggler in atm as I was under the impression (as was JR on his Twitter in January) that Ziggler was going to have a huge push. I think Barrett was too until he got injured. Perhaps Another loss will start a rift between Ziggler and Swagger and they part ways setting the scene for a singles rivalry and Ziggler's supposed "push"?


    Sheamus to retain the title:

    Again I can't see Sheamus losing too soon after WM. He's popular with the fans and I think WWE want to milk that for a while. I see a major feud between him and Orton intensifying over the next few months up to Summer Slam where Orton may turn heel to beat Sheamus. Jericho isn't meant to be full-time and not sure how much Rio has recovered from injury but I can't see either of those two winning tonight. I hope Jericho wins a title before his current stint with WWE ends although I'm not sure a heel Jericho is proving all too popular.


    CM Punk to beat Daniel Bryan:

    Foregone conclusion. Should be a decent match imo the two best technical wrestlers currently in the industry along with Austin Aries (who really needs to be in WWE). Again I see this feud building up for a while. I wonder what role AJ will have to play in all this? Perhaps a love triangle and her having a relationship with Punk to spite Bryan? Who knows.....

    And finally.....

    John Laurinitas to beat John Cena. Why and how I hear you ask?

    Well if the rumours on various sites are to be believed;

    - Laurinitas has been advertised in matches against Cena for several house shows and No Way Out.....suggesting that either he hasn't been fired or finds a way to stay in the job.

    - This is what clinches it for me; The stipulation is that if any WWE star interferes on behalf of either wrestler, their contract will be terminated. Remind me, didn't the Big Show get "fired" from the WWE by Ace? And that was some acting by Big Show crying and whining like a 7ft 700 pound baby (ok he weighs less than that).

    Anyways my point is that I think this is all one big stunt. The Big Show will interfere in the main event on behalf of Johnny Ace, take out Cena and Laurinitis gets the win.

    And here's the snag......as Big Show was "fired" he technically isn't a WWE employee and therefore his intereference wouldn't break the rules. And then on Raw the next night we'll see Big Show be re-hired and now Cena will have Big Show, Johnny Ace and (as advertised for a handicap match at a house show) Lord Tensai to deal with.

    I think this is all a throw back to the days of Stone Cold v McMahon i.e. the Boss vs the Star Employee except Cena's gonna get his ass whupped for a while before he finds his feet again (and his balls).

    That's me done.
    Some crazy ass prediction.
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    (Original post by rickjames)
    Some crazy ass prediction.
    I know.....I'm scaring myself right now....
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    Forgot to include the Battle Royale, The IC title match, Miz v Clay and Ryback vs some two random guys as they were only announced right on the night.

    Not sure where they're heading with Miz but jeez what a fall from grace. This time last year he was WWE champion headlining WM and now he's dancing like a prat and being squashed by Brodus Clay.

    Then again my team Man City won the Premier League and Chelsea won the Champions League so nothing's impossible....
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    Cena vs. Laurinaitis - It's like Austin V McMahon, but without the in-ring talent of Austin, the presence of McMahon, and the mic ability of either.

    RATINGS!
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    (Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
    Not sure where they're heading with Miz but jeez what a fall from grace. This time last year he was WWE champion headlining WM and now he's dancing like a prat and being squashed by Brodus Clay.
    Read somewhere he's going to appear in the Marine 3 soon, they're just letting him lose for a bit as a decent opponent for the new guys and then he'll come back strong. They use him for loads of media stuff so his future's safe.
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    Punk vs. Bryan was brilliant, as expected. The tag match and the 4-way were also good matches. I also thought the women's match was decent, though Layla did lapse in and out of selling the injury but at least they were given time to tell a story.

    Parts of the Cena match were funny. Johnny's Booker impersonation was a highlight.
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    (Original post by nonotrly)
    So wait, a Raw guy is challenging for the Smackdown title and a Smackdown guy is challenging for the Raw title.

    And for the FIFTH PPV in a row, there's a more important match (the main event) than the title match?

    What's the ****ing point?...
    What do you expect? Cena is the only legit draw on the whole roster.
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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
    What do you expect? Cena is the only legit draw on the whole roster.
    O_o

    Is he even bringing in the most merchandise?

    In the last few PPVs, you're saying people bought to watch Cena?

    According to WWE, Cena is bigger than the WWE. That is not healthy.
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    (Original post by nonotrly)
    O_o

    Is he even bringing in the most merchandise?

    In the last few PPVs, you're saying people bought to watch Cena?

    According to WWE, Cena is bigger than the WWE. That is not healthy.
    I have to agree that Cena is probably the biggest star on the roster and the only one who can really compare to the great superstars of the past. Triple H and Taker are used sporadically these days, Jericho's comeback in all honesty hasn't been too great and as Lesnar's signed to limited number of appearances he'll be doing his appearing and disappearing act quite frequently.

    CM Punk is becoming quite an endearing figure and I think he's also appealing to lot of older fans by use of the elbow move as a nod to Randy Savage. Yesterday was the one year anniversary of his death and I liked how he pointed to the sky before doing his elbow and the crowd chanted Randy Savage.

    I was thinking in the last ten years so many older stars got a chance to return to the WWE and re-live some of their past glories like Hogan, Bret Hart, Flair, Piper, Ted Dibiase etc and it's a shame Randy Savage didn't get the same opportunity but that was more to do with the fact he had a falling out with McMahon (although McMahon fittingly paid tribute to him in an article in Time Magazine).

    ATM Cena is the only one on the roster with true star quality i.e. someone who transcends the sport in the same vein as The Rock, Stone Cold and Hulk Hogan did. CM Punk is not even near that level yet and I'm not really sure if he's quite the sort of character to fit that mold....i.e. Punk is about the wrestling.

    But let's be honest WWE are still the number one wrestling promo and when your nearest major rival is TNA that isn't difficult. I heard TNA just committed Austin Aries to another 3 year contract and I'll be surprised if he stays beyond that period. He's their star man and he's big fish in an incredibly small pond. It's like Lionel Messi playing for Rochdale FC.

    WWE should perhaps go back to the past days of trying to poach their rivals biggest stars and AA would imo be a massive coup. I'm sure fans would love to see him take on the likes Cena, Punk, Bryan and Orton. WWE missed out on Sting but I hope they can do with AA what they couldn't with Sting.

    Strangely enough I like what they're doing with Albert on his return re: The Lord Tensai gimmick and in the brief period he's been back he's had more of a push than he ever did during his whole time as Prince Albert. Seeing as Mark Henry will be out of action for quite some time perhaps he can fill in the "big man" vacancy?
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    I really think Cena is just an exercise of Vince's real life ethos that HE is every guy on the roster, amd that he can create a star out of anyone he chooses (a.k.a. "I created Hulkamania"). Cena already had a good fan-catching gimmick playing the wigger. After all, a worrying amount of kids are wiggers and chavs, so they easily identified with Cena and also saw him as the coolest of cool.

    Also we have to admit that WWE and wrestling in general has always been a kid's thing. Sure plenty of adults can like, and kids who grow into adults can not 'grow out of it' and still like it, but from the days when you brought your kid to your local NWA show to watching the bright lights and fighting of the TV shows, it's been mainly for the boys.

    So that combined with Cena's dedication to working outside the ring, Vince saw that and saw that kids were buying all his stuff too. So Vince made him a star, he gave him huge title runs, got him in a few films, while Cena kept doing the extra-curricular stuff.

    That he couldn't pump up a crowd on the mic or in the ring, that he couldn't develop his moveset or psychology was irrelevant, because he'd still get the title, and thus we'd be TOLD he's the biggest guy around, rather than showing me why.
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    (Original post by nonotrly)
    O_o

    Is he even bringing in the most merchandise?

    In the last few PPVs, you're saying people bought to watch Cena?

    According to WWE, Cena is bigger than the WWE. That is not healthy.
    The only time Cena has been beaten in merchandise over the past 7 years, was Punk while he was hot last Summer.

    I don't think you realise how big Cena is. Obviously no superstar is bigger than the WWE, but Cena has and still does carry the WWE. If you check the ratings and viewership breakdowns of every Raw, it's always increasing when John Cena is involved. He is the only full-time legit draw in the WWE.
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    (Original post by nonotrly)
    I really think Cena is just an exercise of Vince's real life ethos that HE is every guy on the roster, amd that he can create a star out of anyone he chooses (a.k.a. "I created Hulkamania"). Cena already had a good fan-catching gimmick playing the wigger. After all, a worrying amount of kids are wiggers and chavs, so they easily identified with Cena and also saw him as the coolest of cool.

    Also we have to admit that WWE and wrestling in general has always been a kid's thing. Sure plenty of adults can like, and kids who grow into adults can not 'grow out of it' and still like it, but from the days when you brought your kid to your local NWA show to watching the bright lights and fighting of the TV shows, it's been mainly for the boys.

    So that combined with Cena's dedication to working outside the ring, Vince saw that and saw that kids were buying all his stuff too. So Vince made him a star, he gave him huge title runs, got him in a few films, while Cena kept doing the extra-curricular stuff.

    That he couldn't pump up a crowd on the mic or in the ring, that he couldn't develop his moveset or psychology was irrelevant, because he'd still get the title, and thus we'd be TOLD he's the biggest guy around, rather than showing me why.
    Wrestling has always been a family business but of course one of their key audiences is children/young people. I mean I started watching WWF when I was a child and I'd have been peeved if someone told me I couldn't watch it because I was a kid. Kids buy merchandise and as you said grow up and whilst not into it hardcore will certainly remain lifelong fans so I have no qualms about WWE targeting kids primarily but in recent weeks/months it has begun to get slightly edgier with the HIAC match at WM, Cena v Lesnar, Jericho and Punk alcohol and drug references and hitting him with a bottle and drenching him with JDs......I'm not sure you'd see that on a typical kids show.

    We have to accept the Attitude era as great as it was, is no long gone and tbh it should remain in the past. Wrestling should always move forward. Frankly I think WWE as a whole is better now than it ever was, the amount of programming is immense and it's great they have Vintage Collection annd NXT to develop up and coming talent. WWE have really taken to Facebook/Twitter/You tube like ducks to water and has really made it a more interactive experience for fans.

    WWE are also doing more international touring to a wider number of destinations. Before they'd only come once a year to the UK to just the one venue to do a random UK only PPV which 99% of the time was a pile of BS. Now they actually film episodes of RAW and Smackdown here...I'd have cried out loud for that back in 1999.

    Also look at the number of house shows they do in the UK when they do come I mean they even play in places like Aberdeen and Butlin's in Minehead. Altogether WWE must do about 20 shows in the UK every year. And then there's the touring everywhere else going to places like India, Honduras, Mexico, Japan, Italy etc.

    As an international brand WWE is bigger than it was say ten years ago. As entertainment value....maybe not so much but given the inroads they've made to branch out internationally they're certainly in good shape and it won't be long before the next Stone Cold, or HBK comes along.
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    (Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
    Wrestling has always been a family business but of course one of their key audiences is children/young people. I mean I started watching WWF when I was a child and I'd have been peeved if someone told me I couldn't watch it because I was a kid. Kids buy merchandise and as you said grow up and whilst not into it hardcore will certainly remain lifelong fans so I have no qualms about WWE targeting kids primarily but in recent weeks/months it has begun to get slightly edgier with the HIAC match at WM, Cena v Lesnar, Jericho and Punk alcohol and drug references and hitting him with a bottle and drenching him with JDs......I'm not sure you'd see that on a typical kids show.

    We have to accept the Attitude era as great as it was, is no long gone and tbh it should remain in the past. Wrestling should always move forward. Frankly I think WWE as a whole is better now than it ever was, the amount of programming is immense and it's great they have Vintage Collection annd NXT to develop up and coming talent. WWE have really taken to Facebook/Twitter/You tube like ducks to water and has really made it a more interactive experience for fans.

    WWE are also doing more international touring to a wider number of destinations. Before they'd only come once a year to the UK to just the one venue to do a random UK only PPV which 99% of the time was a pile of BS. Now they actually film episodes of RAW and Smackdown here...I'd have cried out loud for that back in 1999.

    Also look at the number of house shows they do in the UK when they do come I mean they even play in places like Aberdeen and Butlin's in Minehead. Altogether WWE must do about 20 shows in the UK every year. And then there's the touring everywhere else going to places like India, Honduras, Mexico, Japan, Italy etc.

    As an international brand WWE is bigger than it was say ten years ago. As entertainment value....maybe not so much but given the inroads they've made to branch out internationally they're certainly in good shape and it won't be long before the next Stone Cold, or HBK comes along.
    One thing you missed out on, the quality of matches.

    We've been spoilt with some great matches this year.

    Taker HHH
    Punk Jericho twice!
    Rocky Cena
    Punk Bryan
    Lesnar Cena
    Bryan Sheamus (ER)

    Heck even on Superstars, they gave Ziggler and Kofi 15 minutes and they tore the house down.

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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
    One thing you missed out on, the quality of matches.

    We've been spoilt with some great matches this year.

    Taker HHH
    Punk Jericho twice!
    Rocky Cena
    Punk Bryan
    Lesnar Cena

    Heck even on Superstars, they gave Ziggler and Kofi 15 minutes and they tore the house down.

    I thought the ppv on the whole was ok which is surprising for these filler ppvs en route to the big ones like Summer Slam etc.

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