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Bulger killer Venables to be freed again.

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Reply 40
Original post by Harrie Lyons
When you are ten you can feel other ppls pain and know what that means that you are hurting ppl, you also have a sense of justice (though you call it being fair). The fact that he is one of a handful of children to have ever done this, even though there hundreds of millions of children from abusive households shows that there is something wrong with his head (and that he is the spawn of satan)


And he should be punished because there is something wrong with his head you think? You want him punished for something he cannot help?
Reply 41
Original post by CelticSymphony67
Of course he knew what he was doing, one be naïve if they thought he did not know what he was doing.


Only a really simple mind couldn't grasp this concept.
Age obviously affects decision making ability. Everything affects our decisions. We never do things without a reason, there is always external factors pushing us in one way or another.

I've always linked this article, because I think it sums it up perfectly:
http://www.naturalism.org/sommers.htm



Why is it so difficult to abandon the deeply problematic concept of free will and ultimate moral responsibility? The answer is suggested in Samuel Johnson’s epigram: “All theory is against free will; all experience is for it.” The decisive theoretical reasons for rejecting free will and moral responsibility fail to persuade, because we feel free. We feel responsible. True enough, but in almost every other field we allow logic and science (i.e. theory) to trump experience—why not here? One reason is that the ethical implications of denying free will and moral responsibility seem terrifying. We worry that embracing these ideals would lead to a world where “everything is permitted,” and no one is held accountable for anything.

In fact, giving up on the idea of deep moral responsibility has no such anarchical or distressing consequences. Let’s suppose we did start viewing terrible crimes as we do natural disasters. Would this mean we would not try to prevent future crimes? Of course not, no more than it would suggest that we not tape our windows or retrofit buildings to protect ourselves from hurricanes and earthquakes. It would mean only that we cease to relentlessly blame criminals (or political figures) for their behavior. Darrow did not deny that punishment has a pragmatic justification. He understood that long prison sentences were appropriate for his young clients. What he claimed was that punishment can only be pragmatically justified. If you are unlucky enough to be the kind of person who commits crimes, you’ll have to be put away for it. But society should not compound this misfortune by promoting retributive sentiments like resentment and bloodlust—what in our current lingo we call the need for “closure.”

Admittedly, the idea that criminals do not morally deserve punishment is tough to accept. But no more so than was the claim that the earth revolves around the sun. The Copernican hypothesis also went against common experience and ethical orthodoxy. It was resisted and feared, but eventually it won the day. It’s my hope that Clarence Darrow’s view of the world will be similarly vindicated. It is a view that is compassionate, uncompromising, and most importantly, correct.

Original post by ArtGoblin
It is a credit to Robert Thompson that we haven't heard anything about him since he has been released.
Are you being serious? Giving credit to a convicted child killer? :facepalm2:
Reply 43
The fact that he was 10 years old when he committed murder is a very scary thought. He may have been young but it says a lot about the guy and suggests that there is some sort of deep rooted evil inside him. Perhaps he can't be held full responsible for his actions but the fact that he has been caught with child pornography and has assaulted people in recent years proves that he's still a danger and I don't feel the man should be released. In my opinion, anyone who dabbles in such material is a pedophile and should be treated as such. People tend to overlook his more recent actions and feel sorry for him because of how young he was at the time he committed his most brutal crime. That's not an excuse and I think it's pretty grim that he could be free to walk the streets again soon.
Original post by Tabzqt
Only a really simple mind couldn't grasp this concept.
Age obviously affects decision making ability. Everything affects our decisions. We never do things without a reason, there is always external factors pushing us in one way or another.

I've always linked this article, because I think it sums it up perfectly:
http://www.naturalism.org/sommers.htm
I think you are not for real and a seriously deluded person. If some kid molested and murdered your child, would you be happy for him to be released after serving just 8 years in prison??
Reply 45
Original post by BieberBro
awful news, just shoot him in the head and be done with it


This is probably the most sensible thing to do.

I'm not joking
Original post by CJKay
Prison is a measure of justice, not of revenge. If he has been truly proven rehabilitated, the system has done its job and he is free to go.


He downloaded child porn and has done other stuff, he's clearly not rehabilitated and I don't think he ever will be, so he should stay in prison forever.
(edited 10 years ago)
People are screaming he was just 10, he was a kid. I think it's the fact that he was just 10 that is most disturbing, at that age torturing, molesting and killing little kids was not what was on my mind don't know about you lot. Only God knows what he is capable of now, and as for being rehabilitated? Lets jus hope that's the case and not the influence of his various inmates.


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Reply 48
Original post by CelticSymphony67
I think you are not for real and seriously deluded person. If some kid molested and murdered your child, would you be happy for him to be released after serving just 8 years in prison??


Yes, if he had been properly rehabilitated.

I prefer rationality over wild emotion.
Original post by Tabzqt
And he should be punished because there is something wrong with his head you think? You want him punished for something he cannot help?

It's a way of speaking, by that reasoning we should give all rapists, perverts and murderers a pat on the back and tell them to go their perverse merry little way because they 'can't help it'. Could hitler 'help it? Or is it the way he was brought up plus a mental deficiency and so wasn't really his 'fault'. You've gotta laugh at where this kind of liberalism takes us.
Original post by Tabzqt
Yes, if he had been properly rehabilitated.

I prefer rationality over wild emotion.
This is why I'm not opposed to him being released, as much as I despise him. However, if he commits another crime again, then that is it, he should die in prison. He is in last chance saloon.
Original post by CelticSymphony67
Exactly. You have hit the nail on the head. I knew the difference between right and wrong at 10 Years Old. I'm not sure if some people on here are just namby-pamby liberals or if they are seriously naïve in there Ivory Towers?

Yeah I'm beginning to wonder if these ppl actually remember being ten lol you are a fully conscious human being IMO like I said they are being incredibly glib
Reply 52
Original post by Harrie Lyons
It's a way of speaking, by that reasoning we should give all rapists, perverts and murderers a pat on the back and tell them to go their perverse merry little way because they 'can't help it'. Could hitler 'help it? Or is it the way he was brought up plus a mental deficiency and so wasn't really his 'fault'. You've gotta laugh at where this kind of liberalism takes us.


You have to find a compromise, by removing the possibility of them committing harm while still remaining just.

Prevention would also play a bigger part.
Reply 53
Original post by CelticSymphony67
I think you are not for real and a seriously deluded person. If some kid molested and murdered your child, would you be happy for him to be released after serving just 8 years in prison??


The prison system isn't there to make people happy. The prison system is there to remove dangerous people from society until it is ruled that they are fit to rejoin it.
Original post by CJKay
The prison system isn't there to make people happy. The prison system is there to remove dangerous people from society until it is ruled that they are fit to rejoin it.

Where did I say that prison was not about rehabilitating prisoners? I can't see where I have written that. Maybe it is because I have not written that........ I asked him if he would be happy with a 8 year sentence given to a killer of his child? Would you be happy if someone killed your child and received eight years in prison, or would you go mad and demand 20 years? Most normal people would go ape if their child's killer received a paltry eight years in jail.
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 55
Original post by Tabzqt
I don't understand how human beings can be so filled with hate. He was 10 years old. How on earth can he be fully responsible for his actions?


What an idiotic comment. When I was ten I knew that murdering and torturing babies was wrong.
Original post by CJKay
The prison system isn't there to make people happy. The prison system is there to remove dangerous people from society until it is ruled that they are fit to rejoin it.


There has to be some element of justice, is 8 years removal from society fair for ending the life of a toddler? Answer this.

Even if the main purpose of prison is to keep dangerous people from the rest of society, he still shouldn't be released yet because he's done loads of other messed up stuff since the murder.
Reply 57
Original post by stefl14
What an idiotic comment. When I was ten I knew that murdering and torturing babies was wrong.


That's not even my point. My point was his decision making ability is impeded because of his young age. Just as we wouldn't fully blame a mentally insane person for a crime, we can't truly blame someone who's brain is not even fully developed. I think it's quite clear who the idiot here is.
Reply 58
Original post by CJKay
The prison system isn't there to make people happy. The prison system is there to remove dangerous people from society until it is ruled that they are fit to rejoin it.


It wouldn't hurt if it did though would it?
Reply 59
Original post by James A
disgusting, it's true what they say. The law really is an ass.


I don't know anyone who says that

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