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Get your porn in now!- porn to be auto-filtered

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Parents these days. Can't be bothered to pay the slightest attention to their kids and instead a ridiculous, ineffectual bill has to be brought about.

And people say the porn or the kids are the problem. Yer, right.
TBH I think this is a reasonable policy.

There are two issues going on here:

1. Preventing access to illegal porn

2. Preventing children having access to legal porn

Having a compulsory opt in addresses the second. I pay for my own internet so when it comes in I'll be opting in to porn :sexface:

If you're a child and live at home with your parents who pay the bill then its their decision whether you're allowed to watch porn or not. Sorry if this affects some of you on TSR.

I'm sure when you get to uni and live in a shared house of students, it will be easy to secure the required number of votes for opt in.

As for the first I am not sure how to do that fully effectively, I know in the battle to stop file sharing of copyrighted music people were always a step ahead of the authorities moving on to other sites. I used to hop from one site to another to get my mp3s until in the end, stuff like itunes became available where the music was sufficiently low cost that me (and probably lots of other users too) decided we didn't mind paying 76p or whatever for a song rather than risk all the viruses from p2p file sharer sites. So in that one they managed to defeat, or at least constrain, an illegal market through developing a legal one. Obviously they aren't going to be developing a legal market for child porn so that isn't an option here.

I expect that they can get primary search engines like Google to take action to prevent regular internet users who have shall we say a 'curiosity' from being able to access illegal images, and that will have some benefit in stopping some that would potentially be tempted down a dark path. But hardened paedos are going to be just like the copyright file sharing searchers, there are other bits of the internet that the authorities could never shut down.

I don't like the idea of sites like Tor and if it was possible I'd like to pull the plug on all that sort of thing. I know people like to say the big threat is 'the authorities' being able to censor stuff but I think the threat of criminals online is underrated. At least the authorities are accountable to democratically elected governments (in the case of Europe, US etc). Criminals, paedo rings, drug cartels, weapons smugglers, terrorists etc are not accountable to anyone and the internet facilitates their practices.
Original post by Architecture-er
I'm so not clicking that whilst I'm in the office :lol:


I did it for you :tongue: it was "David Cameron is a moron" :teehee:
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SamW78
I know porn is so tempting, it exploits our innate drive for reproduction which is why it is so impressed into our psyche.

For this reason there's a lot of people defending porn, and believing the odd porn session is harmless. That is up to the individual, I have my own demons and I'm far from perfect, like giving up smoking, I cracked the other day after 6 weeks of not smoking, so I'm not here on my soapbox to pontificate what people do in privacy.

I see porn, and people's defense of it, like a smackhead trying to justify just one more hit. Based on the studies I've read, its usage certainly has neurological implications similar to drug usage, as well as physiological and spiritual implications.
Original post by Scienceisgood
While I am for porn online, I fail to see how this violates free speech?
Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely without the causing of hatred. Porn does not cause hatred.

People have been using porn for thousands of years, I can tell you this will CAUSE more problems than it solves, I promise you that. :frown:


...and if porn doesn't cause hatred, then surely restricting that is a violation?
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Original post by Scienceisgood
While I am for porn online, I fail to see how this violates free speech?
Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely without the causing of hatred. Porn does not cause hatred.

People have been using porn for thousands of years, I can tell you this will CAUSE more problems than it solves, I promise you that. :frown:


Thousands...? You mean paintings and cave drawings?
Original post by desdemonata
I did it for you :tongue: it was "David Cameron is a moron" :teehee:


Cheers dear :biggrin:


I watched that one a few nights ago actually, steamy stuff.
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Original post by Unkempt_One
Okay, now can you remove from this list any articles which are simply speculative tripe written by social scientists? I'm talking rigorous studies that clearly show a link between legal pornography and psychological harm, not "I couldn't get my book published so I decided to write a journal instead XD".



I just C&Ped these from a psychology essay I wrote on the neoliberalism and censorship, there is nothing speculative about this list.

Try looking these articles and journals up before forming such opinions, to do so otherwise makes you look like a junkie defending his right to porn.

Cheap shot with the last comment, you only embarrass yourself.
Original post by Architecture-er
I'm so not clicking that whilst I'm in the office :lol:


Why not? Do you work for the Conservative Party? :eek:

On a serious note, the basic 'Cameron Plan' (bit grandiose, calling it a 'plan') is that Google will not return at all on some searches judged to be extreme.

Am I the only one who finds this a trifle sinister? How many other phrases will gradually be added to the exclusion list by government?

Is Cameron really proposing an equivalent to the Great Firewall of China right here in the UK? A sort of Hadrian's Firewall?
Original post by MagicNMedicine
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It's pretty impossible to stop the sharing of illegal porn, let alone it being made :erm:

Also how many dads do you think won't opt-in? At the very least though, it might make them opt-in and then put some restrictions of their kid's account or download some filters anyway. Honestly most people don't even seem aware you can do that kind of thing or even think about it. Boggles the mind that really young kids just get laptops and other things that allow internet access and then don't bother to even take a passing interest in what they use it for besides Plants vs. Zombies :sigh:
Original post by Scienceisgood
People - PARENT your children, don't force the government to do it for you damn it! <-- Short Version

Long Version:
Seriously though, porn is a natural stimulant to people and will help keep people fertile for longer because it has been proven that well, you know, doing it yourself helps improve sperm quality/strength increasing your chances of fertility.
It is companies like The Mail which have this war against porn, the CLAIM that it helps promote rape, however, porn has been around for THOUSANDS of years, so, do you really expect any results from an experiment which has yet to happen?!

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PORN!


You don't need porn to stimulate you though. One just needs a bit of... imagination. Or a very steamy romance film.
Original post by SamW78
I just C&Ped these from a psychology essay I wrote on the neoliberalism and censorship, there is nothing speculative about this list.

Try looking these articles and journals up before forming such opinions, to do so otherwise makes you look like a junkie defending his right to porn.

Cheap shot with the last comment, you only embarrass yourself.

I think it's funny that you believe journal articles are by definition not speculative. In any case, the burden of proof is on you to indicate which ones represent actual population studies and which ones are glorified hypotheses, since I most likely do not have access to the database you used to find them.
Original post by SamW78
I know porn is so tempting, it exploits our innate drive for reproduction which is why it is so impressed into our psyche.

For this reason there's a lot of people defending porn, and believing the odd porn session is harmless. That is up to the individual, I have my own demons and I'm far from perfect, like giving up smoking, I cracked the other day after 6 weeks of not smoking, so I'm not here on my soapbox to pontificate what people do in privacy.

I see porn, and people's defense of it, like a smackhead trying to justify just one more hit. Based on the studies I've read, its usage certainly has neurological implications similar to drug usage, as well as physiological and spiritual implications.


I'm defending porn and I don't even watch it anymore these days. And I'm not even one of you visual creatures that appreciate porn more than I do or can.

The vast majority of people watching porn aren't addicted to it, and it's nothing more than a masturbatory aid. Most people are pretty normal and you can bet that if they're guys, they also watch porn.
Oh please, they would only police the "visible" part of the internet.

There is something called the Deep Web:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web
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Original post by Scienceisgood
While I am for porn online, I fail to see how this violates free speech?
Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely without the causing of hatred. Porn does not cause hatred.

People have been using porn for thousands of years, I can tell you this will CAUSE more problems than it solves, I promise you that. :frown:



What kind of problems? Like men actually learning how to talk to, and relate with, women properly? A closer better knit society? I can imagine the fallout from that.
Original post by Hellz_Bellz!
You don't need porn to stimulate you though. One just needs a bit of... imagination. Or a very steamy romance film.


Girls don't, generally. Guys do a little more :tongue: More visual and all that.
Original post by danny111
Thousands...? You mean paintings and cave drawings?


Porn has been around since people started using paper or paper like materials such as scrolls. So, as long as you had something to draw with and a piece of paper like material, people could make porn. =l

So, if you wanted to jerk off, open your scrolls (preferably away from others) and beat your meat. =l

Enjoy. :biggrin:
Original post by Architecture-er
Cheers dear :biggrin:


I watched that one a few nights ago actually, steamy stuff.


:rofl:

I'm sure it was riveting. Especially that big shiny face of his getting all hot and sweaty. Sexy or what?
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Original post by Scienceisgood
While I am for porn online, I fail to see how this violates free speech?
Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely without the causing of hatred. Porn does not cause hatred.

People have been using porn for thousands of years, I can tell you this will CAUSE more problems than it solves, I promise you that. :frown:


Freedom of expression, then. Same difference. Porn does not cause hatred, and if it does not pose any kind of health risk, any kind of censoring will simply be moralising.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Why not? Do you work for the Conservative Party? :eek:

On a serious note, the basic 'Cameron Plan' (bit grandiose, calling it a 'plan') is that Google will not return at all on some searches judged to be extreme.

Am I the only one who finds this a trifle sinister? How many other phrases will gradually be added to the exclusion list by government?

Is Cameron really proposing an equivalent to the Great Firewall of China right here in the UK? A sort of Hadrian's Firewall?

I'm less worried about what Cameron wants to do with it, and more worried about what Labour will do with it when they find such an 'exclusion' in action.

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