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Why do people hate America?

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Reply 80
They invade other countries for financial gain/oil

They seem to think they were the reason the WW2 was won, when really they sat back and sold weapons etc. to both sides for financial gain only to jump in near the end. If they actually helped in the beginning and didn't help the germans the war would have been over far sooner.

They mislead the public and hold back valuable information whether it is to do with the environment, public health and medicine as they are controlled by their corporations (timber, cotton, corn, pharmaceutical industries).

Not voting on your stupid and biased poll.
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Reply 81
I don't hate America BUT....
THEY ELECTED GEORGE BUSH JR....TWICE!!!!!!!!
I MEAN SERIOUSLY????!!!
wtf?
i cant get over it.
That has to taint your view slightly.....?
Reply 82
Original post by HashimKF
If they actually helped in the beginning and didn't help the germans the war would have been over far sooner.
Not voting on your stupid and biased poll.

Care to elaborate? I know the US officially entered relatively late into the war (and if Japan didn't attack, maybe wouldn't have), but how that translates into helping the Germans, I don't quite get. The Germans declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan. If the US was helping the Germans, why would they do that?
Reply 83
Original post by John Stuart Mill
I really, really dislike business.


What is it about people dealing with each other that upsets you? Is it because Big Brother is not involved?
Original post by Barksy
What is it about people dealing with each other that upsets you? Is it because Big Brother is not involved?


Here are the priorities of a business:
- Profit.
- Services.

Most of them avoid tax; they run out competitors from the market (Amazon is taking everyone over), we lose control over companies and find it difficult to hold people accountable; the money from corporations is often used to lobby and to bribe government (since government depends on funds). Basically by privatising and making more companies the government are slaves and serve the interest of companies (just look at the mess we're in as a result of selling the family silver).
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Reply 85
America-haters are usually bitter leftists who can't get over the fact that they got their asses handed to them in the Cold War. Either that or they are backward Islamists/ apologists for them.
Original post by Barksy
America-haters are usually bitter leftists who can't get over the fact that they got their asses handed to them in the Cold War. Either that or they are backward Islamists/ apologists for them.


USA had very little to do with the collapse of the USSR.
Reply 87
This poll is like:

Am I amazing?

1. Yes
2. I must be irrationally intolerant to your amazingness but in reality you are amazing
3. You're the best
4. You're so powerful and manly mmm

Conclusion: My in depth scientific analysis indicates that nobody thinks that I'm not amazing.
Original post by MantaRey
Care to elaborate? I know the US officially entered relatively late into the war (and if Japan didn't attack, maybe wouldn't have), but how that translates into helping the Germans, I don't quite get. The Germans declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan. If the US was helping the Germans, why would they do that?


The US entered the war in the the last year or so (I'm not so hot on dates) and only because Japan attacked them, because they wanted to stay out of it as a neutral party and didn't want to help either side win.
Reply 89
Original post by John Stuart Mill
Here are the priorities of a business:
- Profit.
- Services.

Most of them avoid tax; they run out competitors from the market (Amazon is taking everyone over), we lose control over companies and find it difficult to hold people accountable; the money from corporations is often used to lobby and to bribe government (since government depends on funds). Basically by privatising and making more companies the government are slaves and serve the interest of companies (just look at the mess we're in as a result of selling the family silver).


What's wrong with profit? The profit motive has advanced living standards much more so than some directive from a bureaucrat ever could.

What's wrong with services? Businesses are there because they provide people with what they want. No problem here.

If they're running others out of the market then it means they are out-competing them. You forget that power lies with the customer; if the alternatives to Amazon were so great, then Amazon wouldn't be so big. But they are.

As long as they avoid tax legally then there is no problem. The government doesn't have the divine right to steal from your wallet or their account. Who would want to give even more money to a government that will only waste it on token gestures and war?

As for businesses lobbying government, this is something you leftists never seem to understand. Perhaps if you didn't have so powerful a government in the first place, special privileges couldn't be given? Cut the head off the snake. But no, the left will never give up their Big Brother dream.

Monopolies often occur because of the government, remember.

I think your gripe is with Corporatism which is not the same as Capitalism. It's more like fascism, which in turn is closer to your beloved socialism than you'd like to admit.

North Korea vs South Korea. Says it all.
Reply 90
Original post by John Stuart Mill
USA had very little to do with the collapse of the USSR.


They did play a part though. Shouldn't it tell you something that the USSR collapsed from internal failings? Socialism doesn't work.
Reply 91
I think many governments dislike the American government because of how self-righteous Americans can often be. They go into countries and begin wars in the name of democracy and freedom. That's just my opinion, but personally I don't hate America. I enjoy visiting it, but I would hate living there. The British are generally much more... refined.
Reply 92
Coz they ****ed us up



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Reply 93
Original post by WhereDidIPutMyCar
The US entered the war in the the last year or so (I'm not so hot on dates) and only because Japan attacked them, because they wanted to stay out of it as a neutral party and didn't want to help either side win.


My understanding was the US wanted to help the Allied powers at that time by providing them with weapons (under Lend Lease). However, the guy who I responded to said that the US was supplying both sides, Axis and Allies, which is not my understanding. That's why I wanted clarification from him.
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Original post by Barksy
What's wrong with profit? The profit motive has advanced living standards much more so than some directive from a bureaucrat ever could.

What's wrong with services? Businesses are there because they provide people with what they want. No problem here.

If they're running others out of the market then it means they are out-competing them. You forget that power lies with the customer; if the alternatives to Amazon were so great, then Amazon wouldn't be so big. But they are.

As long as they avoid tax legally then there is no problem. The government doesn't have the divine right to steal from your wallet or their account. Who would want to give even more money to a government that will only waste it on token gestures and war?

As for businesses lobbying government, this is something you leftists never seem to understand. Perhaps if you didn't have so powerful a government in the first place, special privileges couldn't be given? Cut the head off the snake. But no, the left will never give up their Big Brother dream.

Monopolies often occur because of the government, remember.

I think your gripe is with Corporatism which is not the same as Capitalism. It's more like fascism, which in turn is closer to your beloved socialism than you'd like to admit.

North Korea vs South Korea. Says it all.


What's wrong with profit? Nothing but when the entire point of a business is profit they care very little about anything other then providing their shareholders with money; they usually display little care for the environment and the services are usually horrendous and overpriced. And they're difficult to regulate.

What's wrong with services? Nothing but when services come after profit we have a problem.

Amazon is running others out of the market by buying them; there are no alternatives because Amazon is so dominant, we're led to believe that competition is a good thing and yet we don't see any of it, once again Amazon avoids taxes.

As long as they avoid tax legally then there is no problem; I agree, nevertheless the fact that they look for loop holes is a major flaw in our legislation and we're losing a lot of money as a result of it.

The government is supposed to act in the interest of the people; the company is supposed to act in the interest of profit, government relies on donations, companies are the dominant ones in the economy - companies lobby. As for Big Brother, all I have to say is NSA spying program; us left-wingers don't want PRISM yet you seem perfectly fine with the government spying on us and yet you continually cry 'Big Brother'.

My gripe is with corporatism and capitalism; I understand the limits of socialism but I would much prefer state owned services and I think socialism is a much better ideology in theory (note democratic socialism has never existed, USSR and China are authoritarian and extreme socialist, pre Stalin was Marxist but once again not democratic but authoritarian)

As for North-Korea vs South Korea using one example of an authoritarian communist country to destroy the idea of communism itself is silly, the reason North Korea has such terrible economic conditions is because of its trade collapse with the USSR and as a result has suffered famines, and once again it is authoritarian communist not democratic socialist. The point of communism is that it is universal; maybe it would have survived if the USA or other western nations had adapted it.
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Reply 95
Original post by MantaRey
Care to elaborate? I know the US officially entered relatively late into the war (and if Japan didn't attack, maybe wouldn't have), but how that translates into helping the Germans, I don't quite get. The Germans declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan. If the US was helping the Germans, why would they do that?


By helping them I did not mean fighting on their side but they sold weapons etc. and profitted from the war. Just as they did in the war on Vietnam also.
I would have better information but it has been such a long time since I've had this discussion with someone :tongue:
http://libcom.org/library/allied-multinationals-supply-nazi-germany-world-war-2
http://www.markswatson.com/wwiilies.htm
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_06.htm
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=24039


There's also the whole Israel thing that I forgot to mention in my initial post. They give Millions of taxpayer money daily to fund a war on Palestine and slowly take away even more of their land.
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Reply 96
Original post by player19
Before Israel, the land was British and before that it was Ottoman for 600 years. If you are going to to start with "but 1000 years is was Arab" than I will also say that 2000 years ago the land was Jewish, also in the period where there was no muslim or Arabs in the middle east.

And yes, the UK has more claim on the land than some Abu Qatad, PLO or other dirty islamists.

And no, the US had nothing to do with the creation of the Israel state since it was planned by the UK and France after World War I. The UN just accomplished that plan when the majority of the memeber states passed a resolution.

no,they are in the right to hate America because Palestinians have been there for 100 years so it's their country.The fact that Jews were there 2000 years ago doesn't mean anything.France and the UK wanted to give to Jews an African territory from their colonies in an unpopulated region.So America is to blame
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What a stupid poll...
Reply 98
Do you mean the American government, culture or people? I can understand why people dislike the American government as it's not in keeping with the true principles and elements of its culture may not be to everyone's taste. But it's a very big and populous country, how people claim to "hate Americans" I do not know. I have never been to the US but would like to go.
Reply 99
Original post by PatrickB
This is a mistake that many Americans often are led to believe, that they somehow invented democracy an freedom and liberty. The United States is a melting-pot of exports: exported ideas from thinkers across Europe, exported emigrants looking for new lives, exported cultures, exported models of government. The United States, it's government and people did not just spring out of nowhere for the rest of the world to copy, it's philosophy of liberty, justice, democracy, etc. do not belong to America but rather are exported ideas, particularly from Britain. Democracy, in one form or another, has been around since Ancient Greece and ideas of personal liberty and freedom have been forged from centuries of development in the countries of Europe, America being that new land which would be the canvas on which to implement these new ideas. They didn't invent but received and developed. Just as Europe didn't invent but received and developed. America does not hold ownership to the concepts of liberty and democracy, concepts which have been around for ages before it, even if Washington DC chooses to resemble a slogan-ridden monument museum of hypocritical sentiments of freedom.


I'm sorry that you misunderstood my original point; of course I didn't wish to imply that America invented these concepts. But it is true that America has - much more so than almost every other country at least - upheld them. Actually, I would say that the only major country in modern times which has upheld freedom to the same extent as the USA, is Britain. The rest of the free world got colonised by Communism and Fascism (actually, my knowledge of Latin America is sorely lacking, so I may [or may not] be wrong there). I can't speak for Americans though as I am not one of them; perhaps they deserve the criticism that they get for having a big ego. But having a big ego is hardly a crime as bad as stoning somebody to death for adultery, for instance.

Also, I believe there is something to be said for standing up for liberal values. It seems to me that Europeans - and obviously this is a huge generalisation - do not do this enough. Hitler managed to quite easily colonise most of Europe, didn't he? It may be obnoxious to be self-righteous and culturally chauvinistic, like America, but at the end of the day, when the next Hitler comes along I think we'll all be thanking them for it.
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