Why is okay to dislike men..

I don't think that at all, honestly. You're the one with the victim complex as are so many anti-feminists on TSR.

Women are often the perpetrator. They get too much credit in custody battles when the father would be just as good at raising the child, they get much lesser prison terms for equal crimes, which is disgusting, they can't be convicted of raping a man (or a woman for that matter). Women are not perfect beings, I have never said they are.

Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions about my views on men and women. It tends not to work.

I don't think that at all, honestly. You're the one with the victim complex as are so many anti-feminists on TSR.

Women are often the perpetrator. They get too much credit in custody battles when the father would be just as good at raising the child, they get much lesser prison terms for equal crimes, which is disgusting, they can't be convicted of raping a man (or a woman for that matter). Women are not perfect beings, I have never said they are.

Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions about my views on men and women. It tends not to work.

dude, in the past everyone who wasn't born rich were treated as lesser citizens. Ethnic minorities were treated bad, women didn't have it that bad n the past. I mean the way you're speaking suggests that in 1st world countries men do not face any significant/institutional sexism

Maybe he shouldn't, let's have a three way conversation elsewhere? I thoughht I was touching on something grand in my OP.

It's hard not to jump to conclusions when you lead by saying that it's "not comparable". You have just listed several reasons as to why it is very comparable indeed so you can't blame me for assuming that you're completely unable to sympathise from a male viewpoint, yet you're able to sympathise with a woman near the top of a corporate ladder who was beat to a promotion by a male counterpart...

It's hard not to jump to conclusions when you lead by saying that it's "not comparable". You have just listed several reasons as to why it is very comparable indeed so you can't blame me for assuming that you're completely unable to sympathise from a male viewpoint, yet you're able to sympathise with a woman near the top of a corporate ladder who was beat to a promotion by a male counterpart...

ok...but some ethnic minorities are women too you know. In addition, women in the uk couldnt vote, own property, work high level jobs, whereas men could. there were poor women as well as poor men...

what i am trying to say here, is that virtually everybody who was in a position of power until about 50-60 years ago was a man. obviously there are exceptions such as queen and empresses and the like, but even in these situations sexism existed - men born into royalty were automatically heir to the throne over female relatives for no reason but the assumption that men were superior.

edit: and by 'positions of power', i mean property owners, voters, landowners, and high end jobs such as bankers and politicians, not just prime ministers or kings

Any stats to back that up? More women are killed by their partners,

more are victims or sexual abuse and domestic violence,

women are still paid less

less likely to be promoted

less likely to be politicians

aren't as likely to join professions

have more standards imposed on them by society...

Men basically are more likely to be physically assaulted, and get an unfair deal in custody battles.

It's simply not comparable.

TSR is a bad example of society,- It is, yes. But It's all good fun.


Of course I'm not unable to sympathise with male rights issues, Evidently so, it doesn't mean you're on a neutral footing, but thanks all the same.

No hard feelings either of you.

None taken. (Y)

All the best

Source?


And more men are physically assaulted and murdered.


No they're not. They earn less. There's a difference. And it's likely because they choose different careers than men on average which pay less, take more time off work, are not willing to relocate to distant places for higher salary etc.

Unless you can prove that a man and woman working in the same job for the same company for the same hours with equal experience and skill (and negotiated for the same salary) get paid differently?


Can you prove it's down to sexism?

So? And can you prove that it's down to sexism?

Isn't it more important that the right person gets the job regardless of their sex?

Also women are less likely to be binmen. Is that sexism?

Can you elaborate and give a source for this?


Can you prove this claim? And a lot of standards are also imposed on men.

Also, were you talking about Western countries in this post or were you talking about the whole world?


What a ****. You're so ignorant of men's problems.

-More men are homeless than women.
-Men often get harsher sentences than for the same crimes.
-Men are often falsely accused of rape
-Men have no male abortion rights
-There is conscription for men in many countries across the world

I totally agree. In terms of fighting for equality, I am 100% alongside feminism, however, equality cannot ever be reached if it's a bitter turf war.

Why is feminism not called 'Equalism'?

It isn't personal choice that women don't join politics - it's conditioning.

Just like it isn't personal choice that women aren't given promotions.

Not enough is done to encourage women into politics, science and engineering, just like not enough is done to encourage men into teaching, nursing etc.

however find that women face more sexism in today's society than men.

I've already answered quite a bit of that. I assure you, anything I have said - such as the domestic violence, killed by partners, paid less - stats are out there, I'm just too lazy and tired to get them. I was referring only to the UK by the way.

I've already discussed many men's problems in a further post. You're welcome to go and find it and re-educate yourself on the amount I know about men's problems. I'm not ignorant at all, I couldn't be with the amount I debate this.

And men are NOT often falsely accused of rape - I'm sorry, that's just a lie. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/13/rape-investigations-belief-false-accusations

Now, as I've already said, I'm off to my xbox. Nighty night, I probably won't ever reply. The sources are out there, as are my other posts in this thread. Have fun.