Why aren't there more White societies at universities?
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Original post by shadowdweller
I totally get your argument. I wasn't necessarily talking about cultural minorities, more the general concept, and why societies can be of use.
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Yeah, for sure. Societies can be very positive.
The way I see it is that uni societies should be there to champion the passions of their people. Passions just seem more inclusive.
Says for example there is an Afro-Carribean society. I'd feel like I couldn't join, even though the reality is I love a lot of Afro-Carribean culture (I live just north of a largely Afro-Carribean area of Leeds which is awesome), simply because I'm white.
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Original post by mikeyd85
This makes no sense though really, for two reasons.
A multicultural society is apparently the aim of the game at the moment. Minority societies only serve to create segregation amongst people.
Also, just because someone is of the same race doesn't mean you will get along. The diversity of interests of people of the same race is as great as the diversity of interests of all people. Yes, you can take a stereotype such as Indians loving cricket, but surely you'd join the Cricket Soc if that's where your passion is?
Don't even start me on Religious Socs. There are so many opportunities for people of faith to congregate that having them at universities creating further segregation is ridiculous.
PS, I'm not arguing at you specifically Shadowdweller, just at this notion.
A multicultural society is apparently the aim of the game at the moment. Minority societies only serve to create segregation amongst people.
Also, just because someone is of the same race doesn't mean you will get along. The diversity of interests of people of the same race is as great as the diversity of interests of all people. Yes, you can take a stereotype such as Indians loving cricket, but surely you'd join the Cricket Soc if that's where your passion is?
Don't even start me on Religious Socs. There are so many opportunities for people of faith to congregate that having them at universities creating further segregation is ridiculous.
PS, I'm not arguing at you specifically Shadowdweller, just at this notion.
I agree with you about race societies. I never said I wanted a White society. I think race societies are a bit redundant because as you said, there is too broad a spectrum of personalities under race. I disagree, however, on religious societies. Religious societies create about as much segregation as say a cricket society versus a football society, to take your example. Religious societies are important to those who have some kind of faith as they can meet like minded people. Just like in a cricket society, to take your example again, people would join it to meet like minded people. So with all due respect, your point is ridiculous.
Original post by AwsomePossum
Because other 'popular' white groups such as the SS and the good ol' Klan werent such a hit with almost everyone else in the entire fekkin world.
bahahahhaha good ol' Klan
Original post by Fembot
If you're the kind of person who'd be happy to say, "I'm in the White people's society," I guess none, but it sounds pretty repugnant to me.
And on a realistic level, what would you create one for, anyway? Please explain what a White society would involve, since you find it strange that there aren't more of them.
And on a realistic level, what would you create one for, anyway? Please explain what a White society would involve, since you find it strange that there aren't more of them.
A white society would involve discussion of how whites have been brainwashed with ideas ranging from 9/11 clearly a hoax, to hating themselves and regarding themselves to be the source of all evil and wanting to genocide themselves with mass immigration as an ideology generally (while not in their own neighbourhood right now). Ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, war is peace and tolerance is genocide.
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Original post by mikeyd85
This makes no sense though really, for two reasons.
A multicultural society is apparently the aim of the game at the moment. Minority societies only serve to create segregation amongst people.
Also, just because someone is of the same race doesn't mean you will get along. The diversity of interests of people of the same race is as great as the diversity of interests of all people. Yes, you can take a stereotype such as Indians loving cricket, but surely you'd join the Cricket Soc if that's where your passion is?
Don't even start me on Religious Socs. There are so many opportunities for people of faith to congregate that having them at universities creating further segregation is ridiculous.
PS, I'm not arguing at you specifically Shadowdweller, just at this notion.
A multicultural society is apparently the aim of the game at the moment. Minority societies only serve to create segregation amongst people.
Also, just because someone is of the same race doesn't mean you will get along. The diversity of interests of people of the same race is as great as the diversity of interests of all people. Yes, you can take a stereotype such as Indians loving cricket, but surely you'd join the Cricket Soc if that's where your passion is?
Don't even start me on Religious Socs. There are so many opportunities for people of faith to congregate that having them at universities creating further segregation is ridiculous.
PS, I'm not arguing at you specifically Shadowdweller, just at this notion.
I see your point,but do not quite agree with you.
Think about it, when a migrant from a completely different culture first comes to a new country, he or she will surely have some problems ,with e,g, regulations. Now, whos is more likely to understand the problem and give good suggestions, a native or someone from his or her culture, but has been there since long?
I, being a chinese moved to Germany 2 years ago, think that the main point of having minority societies is to exchange experience. Well, I do know few people, who just stick to the society, and have no contact with the locals, but I regard that as individual problems.
Original post by contrapositive
I agree with you about race societies. I never said I wanted a White society. I think race societies are a bit redundant because as you said, there is too broad a spectrum of personalities under race. I disagree, however, on religious societies. Religious societies create about as much segregation as say a cricket society versus a football society, to take your example. Religious societies are important to those who have some kind of faith as they can meet like minded people. Just like in a cricket society, to take your example again, people would join it to meet like minded people. So with all due respect, your point is ridiculous.
Yeah, but if you wanted to meet people of the same faith, surely you'd just go to a church / mosque / synagogue etc... It costs you nothing, you'll be able to find plenty of information there about various social religious events.
To use another example, motorsport fans (which typically will be a majority F1 fans), never get to go to a race because of the cost. Cricket isn't exactly an all year round thing either.
I just think that because religion is so easily accessible, it almost seems superfluous to have religious societies in universities.
If there are any religious people on here who have benefited from a Uni religious society in a way that couldn't have been achieved at your local religious building, I'd like to hear you story. I'm certainly not closed to the idea that I may be wrong here!
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Original post by contrapositive
Seems strange. What are your opinions?
Interesting question. I don't really see the need for one. The majority of UK universities have a high percentage of white students so I don't think white students would be struggling to make friends that come from a similar background to them. That being said, sometimes the aim of a society isn't to bring people of similar backgrounds together, but to bring people with similar interests together.
And you said 'White Society', but at universities are there really any 'Black societies' or 'Asian societies'?
I thought that generally societies were named after a specific continent or region. For example 'African Society' or 'Japanese society'. Not 'Black society'.
So if you really wanted to make a club then I wouldn't see anything wrong with making a 'British society' which actually sounds quite fun and definitely sounds better than 'White society'.
Original post by The nameless one
I see your point,but do not quite agree with you.
Think about it, when a migrant from a completely different culture first comes to a new country, he or she will surely have some problems ,with e,g, regulations. Now, whos is more likely to understand the problem and give good suggestions, a native or someone from his or her culture, but has been there since long?
I, being a chinese moved to Germany 2 years ago, think that the main point of having minority societies is to exchange experience. Well, I do know few people, who just stick to the society, and have no contact with the locals, but I regard that as individual problems.
Think about it, when a migrant from a completely different culture first comes to a new country, he or she will surely have some problems ,with e,g, regulations. Now, whos is more likely to understand the problem and give good suggestions, a native or someone from his or her culture, but has been there since long?
I, being a chinese moved to Germany 2 years ago, think that the main point of having minority societies is to exchange experience. Well, I do know few people, who just stick to the society, and have no contact with the locals, but I regard that as individual problems.
That's a valid +1 to minority societies.
I'd like to proudly stand here and say "Our government run immigration office will help all new immigrants out and get them on their feet and make them feel welcome and help them meet other immigrants as well as integrating with the rest of society", but sadly I cannot.
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Original post by mikeyd85
Yeah, but if you wanted to meet people of the same faith, surely you'd just go to a church / mosque / synagogue etc... It costs you nothing, you'll be able to find plenty of information there about various social religious events.
To use another example, motorsport fans (which typically will be a majority F1 fans), never get to go to a race because of the cost. Cricket isn't exactly an all year round thing either.
I just think that because religion is so easily accessible, it almost seems superfluous to have religious societies in universities.
If there are any religious people on here who have benefited from a Uni religious society in a way that couldn't have been achieved at your local religious building, I'd like to hear you story. I'm certainly not closed to the idea that I may be wrong here!
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To use another example, motorsport fans (which typically will be a majority F1 fans), never get to go to a race because of the cost. Cricket isn't exactly an all year round thing either.
I just think that because religion is so easily accessible, it almost seems superfluous to have religious societies in universities.
If there are any religious people on here who have benefited from a Uni religious society in a way that couldn't have been achieved at your local religious building, I'd like to hear you story. I'm certainly not closed to the idea that I may be wrong here!
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Sorry if I came on a bit strong. It's just it's my opinion that religious groups in universities are useful for the young. I think it makes it easier for people to find other young people who share their religion. This might be harder to achieve in the respective place of worship where there will be old as well as young. I just don't see the harm in such a group using a spare room once a week to do this.
If you feel there's a need at your university, feel free to set one up. Obviously you'll have to remind people that everyone is welcome (you see this done in disabled and feminist groups quite a bit - helps with any confusion!) and you can talk about any issues you want, or just socialise like any normal society.
There aren't black societies either. Instead there are African and Caribbean Societies that celebrate those cultures. I've seen German and Swedish societies before, I'm sure if someone wanted to make an "English" society to celebrate and embrace English culture it would be permitted.
Original post by shadowdweller
There are loads of christian societies, in a traditionally christian country.
societies aren't exclusive to minorities.
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Original post by contrapositive
Sorry if I came on a bit strong. It's just it's my opinion that religious groups in universities are useful for the young. I think it makes it easier for people to find other young people who share their religion. This might be harder to achieve in the respective place of worship where there will be old as well as young. I just don't see the harm in such a group using a spare room once a week to do this.
No need to apologise. I didn't take it as aggressive at all.
So, more to meet a similar age group of the same religion.
That's a weird one to me, but I suppose in a situation where you've moved to a new place and know nobody, that'd be good.
As I said, to me a society should be about sharing passions. I love it when I meet older people who share the same passions as me. For example, my grandad telling me about his rallying escapades in an old school mini and how motorsport was back in those days!
Edit: perhaps my idea of the concept of a Uni society should change.
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Original post by deedee123
There are loads of christian societies, in a traditionally christian country.
societies aren't about exclusive to minorities.
societies aren't about exclusive to minorities.
Fair point.
No I agree, and I'm not saying they are. I just meant generally.
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Original post by deedee123
There are loads of christian societies, in a traditionally christian country.
societies aren't exclusive to minorities.
societies aren't exclusive to minorities.
This country is becoming more and more secular you'll find. And the societies are more popular with ethnic minorities, but why would they be popular amongst whites when there are so many of them in most universities anyway - they can just join a regular society they have a genuine interest in and be amongst other whites. For ethnic minorities its not about only wanting to spend time with their own, but more about familiarity
I see what you're saying. In the name of equality, an Afro-Carribean society would segregate out none Afro-Carribeans, even if they cook Afro-Carribean food every night, listen to their music, surround themselves by their art and follow Rastafarianism (sorry about the generalisation guys, I'm still trying to detach myself from 'the rule of three').
To make equality truly equal, anyone should be eligible to join. Has a white person tried joining, or are you just assuming you aren't allowed in?
Majority people/social groups still have societies. There are food societies, beer societies, Harry Potter society etc. Sorry again if I am generalising, but in my experience, most people do eat food, do drink beer and have either read or watched Harry Potter. So surely this means in the name of equality, there should be a Caucasian society?
I think Brits in general aren't too patriotic or anything. If someone hangs a union jack outside their house, we often think racist/football hooligan/BNP supporter. Yet in USA, it is unusual to not be patriotic and they are proud of flying their flag. Similar in Ireland.
I like it how British people can be reserved though.. we generally don't like kicking up too much fuss and we all make jokes about the Queen and Cameron whereas that would be scorned upon in other cultures.
To make equality truly equal, anyone should be eligible to join. Has a white person tried joining, or are you just assuming you aren't allowed in?
Majority people/social groups still have societies. There are food societies, beer societies, Harry Potter society etc. Sorry again if I am generalising, but in my experience, most people do eat food, do drink beer and have either read or watched Harry Potter. So surely this means in the name of equality, there should be a Caucasian society?
I think Brits in general aren't too patriotic or anything. If someone hangs a union jack outside their house, we often think racist/football hooligan/BNP supporter. Yet in USA, it is unusual to not be patriotic and they are proud of flying their flag. Similar in Ireland.
I like it how British people can be reserved though.. we generally don't like kicking up too much fuss and we all make jokes about the Queen and Cameron whereas that would be scorned upon in other cultures.
Interesting topic, i'ld like to point out at my Uni there is an African society and although its mostly black members they do have white members as well as other races. They focus mostly on appreciation of The culture. I prefer this as it promotes integration rather than separation which sometimes these types of societies tend create.
As for why there aren't more (or any) white societies, I agree with a few others on here that they make up the majority so don't require these groups. This is because Unfortunately there are still some areas were minorities are still under appreciated and they may find it difficult to fit in due to prevailing prejudices. Which is why they are needed, although these societies are put together based on the assumption that people of the same background will have more in common than people of a different background ( an idea I don't totally agree with ).
If there were ever a case where white people became a minority and were faced with prejudice and undervalued we may even see a rise in white appreciation societies. I'm not sure about Uni's around the world but I bet there might be a few in countries were white people are a minority
As for why there aren't more (or any) white societies, I agree with a few others on here that they make up the majority so don't require these groups. This is because Unfortunately there are still some areas were minorities are still under appreciated and they may find it difficult to fit in due to prevailing prejudices. Which is why they are needed, although these societies are put together based on the assumption that people of the same background will have more in common than people of a different background ( an idea I don't totally agree with ).
If there were ever a case where white people became a minority and were faced with prejudice and undervalued we may even see a rise in white appreciation societies. I'm not sure about Uni's around the world but I bet there might be a few in countries were white people are a minority
Original post by urban
I see what you're saying. In the name of equality, an Afro-Carribean society would segregate out none Afro-Carribeans, even if they cook Afro-Carribean food every night, listen to their music, surround themselves by their art and follow Rastafarianism (sorry about the generalisation guys, I'm still trying to detach myself from 'the rule of three').
To make equality truly equal, anyone should be eligible to join. Has a white person tried joining, or are you just assuming you aren't allowed in?
Majority people/social groups still have societies. There are food societies, beer societies, Harry Potter society etc. Sorry again if I am generalising, but in my experience, most people do eat food, do drink beer and have either read or watched Harry Potter. So surely this means in the name of equality, there should be a Caucasian society?
To make equality truly equal, anyone should be eligible to join. Has a white person tried joining, or are you just assuming you aren't allowed in?
Majority people/social groups still have societies. There are food societies, beer societies, Harry Potter society etc. Sorry again if I am generalising, but in my experience, most people do eat food, do drink beer and have either read or watched Harry Potter. So surely this means in the name of equality, there should be a Caucasian society?
Caucasians can also be African or Caribbean - at my old uni of the reps for the Afro-Caribbean society was white so your statement is ignorant. This whole thread reeks of ignorance because too many people still can't make the distinction between cultures and nationalities from race.
I laugh when White people say they feel like a minority in England, that's soo funny. I think you've been reading too much Daily Mail and The Sun.
Original post by Kruz
I laugh when White people say they feel like a minority in England, that's soo funny. I think you've been reading too much Daily Mail and The Sun.
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