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Here's my working out simplified

z=-iw + 4 + 4i [1]

z^2 - w^2 = -2 + 16i [2]

Sub [1] into [2]:

( -iw + 4 + 4i )( -iw + 4 + 4i ) - w^2 = -2 + 16i

-2w^2 - 8iw + 8w + 32i = -2 + 16i

w^2 + 4wi - 4w = 1 - 8i

:frown::confused::eek:

Thanks a lot for any help:smile:
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Is the question asking you to solve the simultaneous equations to find zz and w ?w \ ?
Reply 2
Original post by Khallil
Is the question asking you to solve the simultaneous equations to find zz and w ?w \ ?


Sorry, yes it is.
Original post by krisshP
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Here's my working out simplified

z=-iw + 4 + 4i [1]

z^2 - w^2 = -2 + 16i [2]

Sub [1] into [2]:

( -iw + 4 + 4i )( -iw + 4 + 4i ) - w^2 = -2 + 16i

-2w^2 - 8iw + 8w + 32i = -2 + 16i

w^2 + 4wi - 4w = 1 - 8i

:frown::confused::eek:

Thanks a lot for any help:smile:


If z+iw=4+4i
what is z-iw?
If you can write that down then you can get z^2+w^2 and hence solve with z^2-w^2=-2+16i to find z^2 and w^2.
Original post by krisshP
IMG_20131006_182446-1.jpg

Here's my working out simplified

z=-iw + 4 + 4i [1]

z^2 - w^2 = -2 + 16i [2]

Sub [1] into [2]:

( -iw + 4 + 4i )( -iw + 4 + 4i ) - w^2 = -2 + 16i

-2w^2 - 8iw + 8w + 32i = -2 + 16i

w^2 + 4wi - 4w = 1 - 8i

:frown::confused::eek:

Thanks a lot for any help:smile:


Here's your error:

2w28iw+8w+32i=2+16i-2w^2 - 8iw + 8w + 32i = -2 + 16i

 w24iw+4w+16i=1+8i\Rightarrow \ -w^2 - 4iw + 4w + 16i = -1 + 8i

 w24iw+4w=18i\Rightarrow \ -w^2 - 4iw + 4w = -1 - 8i

 w2+4iw4w=1+8i\Rightarrow \ w^2 + 4iw - 4w = 1 + 8i
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Reply 5
Original post by Khallil
Here's your error:

2w28iw+8w+32i=2+16i-2w^2 - 8iw + 8w + 32i = -2 + 16i

 w24iw+4w+16i=1+8i\Rightarrow \ -w^2 - 4iw + 4w + 16i = -1 + 8i

 w24iw+4w=18i\Rightarrow \ -w^2 - 4iw + 4w = -1 - 8i

 w2+4iw4w=1+8i\Rightarrow \ w^2 + 4iw - 4w = 1 + 8i

Yeah, but even with that how would I go about finding the complex numbers w and z?
w^2 + 4iw - 4w = 1 + 8i

Equating real parts:
w^2 - 4w=1
w^2 - 4w - 1=0
w=2±√5
but this wouldn't be a complex number as there's no i there.

Also when equating the imaginary parts, I get 4w=8 so w=2. This isn't a complex number. Oh I'm so confused: (
Original post by krisshP
Yeah, but even with that how would I go about finding the complex numbers w and z?
w^2 + 4iw - 4w = 1 + 8i

Equating real parts:
w^2 - 4w=1
w^2 - 4w - 1=0
w=2±√5
but this wouldn't be a complex number as there's no i there.

Also when equating the imaginary parts, I get 4w=8 so w=2. This isn't a complex number. Oh I'm so confused: (


Can you post the full question? I'll be able to give you a definitive answer if I see it.
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Reply 7
Original post by Khallil
Can you post the full question? I'll be able to give you a definitive answer if I see it.


Solve the pair of simultaneous equations
z^2 - w^2 = -2 + 16i
z + iw = 4 + 4i
Reply 8
Original post by krisshP
Solve the pair of simultaneous equations
z^2 - w^2 = -2 + 16i
z + iw = 4 + 4i


Post 4 by brianeverit gives you the fastest method of tackling this :smile:
Reply 9
Original post by brianeverit
If z+iw=4+4i
what is z-iw?
If you can write that down then you can get z^2+w^2 and hence solve with z^2-w^2=-2+16i to find z^2 and w^2.


z+iw=4+4i
z-iw=4-4i
Squaring both sides gives
z^2 - w^2 - 2zwi = -32i

:confused:
Reply 10
Original post by krisshP
z+iw=4+4i
z-iw=4-4i
Squaring both sides gives
z^2 - w^2 - 2zwi = -32i

:confused:


You already know what z^2 - w^2 is - they tell you in the question :smile:

What do you get if you multiply a complex number by its conjugate?
Reply 11
Original post by davros
You already know what z^2 - w^2 is - they tell you in the question :smile:

What do you get if you multiply a complex number by its conjugate?


Thanks for this reminder.:smile:

Original post by brianeverit
If z+iw=4+4i
what is z-iw?
If you can write that down then you can get z^2+w^2 and hence solve with z^2-w^2=-2+16i to find z^2 and w^2.


z+iw=4+4i
z-iw=4-4i

(z-iw)(z+iw)=z^2 + w^2

z^2 + w^2 = (4-4i)(4+4i)
z^2 + w^2 = 16 - 16i^2

z^2 + w^2 = 32 [1]
z^2 - w^2 = -2 + 16i [2] ----this is given in question

[1] - [2]:
2w^2 = 34 - 16i

w^2 = 17 - 8i

Sub w^2 into [2]

z^2 = 15 - 8i

So how does this help us get just z and w?

Thanks
Original post by krisshP
Thanks for this reminder.:smile:



z+iw=4+4i
z-iw=4-4i

(z-iw)(z+iw)=z^2 + w^2

z^2 + w^2 = (4-4i)(4+4i)
z^2 + w^2 = 16 - 16i^2

z^2 + w^2 = 32 [1]
z^2 - w^2 = -2 + 16i [2] ----this is given in question

[1] - [2]:
2w^2 = 34 - 16i

w^2 = 17 - 8i

Sub w^2 into [2]

z^2 = 15 - 8i

So how does this help us get just z and w?

Thanks

find the squareroots :smile:
Reply 13
Original post by keromedic
find the squareroots :smile:


How do I do that?

this is what I tried
z^2 = 15 - 8i
Let z=a + bi
(a+bi)(a+bi)=15-8i
a^2 - b^2 + 2abi=15-8i
Real: a^2 - b^2 = 15 [1]
Imaginary: 2ab=-8, so a=-4/b [2]

Sub[2] into [1]:
(-4/b)^2 - b^2 = 15
b^4 -1=0
(b^2 +1)(b^2 -1)=0
Since b is an element of the real number set,
b=±1

So a=±4

So z=-4 + i or z=4- i

What did I do wrong here? I'd continue to do something similar to get w, but these complex numbers for z are wrong:frown:
Original post by krisshP
How do I do that?

this is what I tried
z^2 = 15 - 8i
Let z=a + bi
(a+bi)(a+bi)=15-8i
a^2 - b^2 + 2abi=15-8i
Real: a^2 - b^2 = 15 [1]
Imaginary: 2ab=-8, so a=-4/b [2]

Sub[2] into [1]:
(-4/b)^2 - b^2 = 15
b^4 -1=0
(b^2 +1)(b^2 -1)=0
Since b is an element of the real number set,
b=±1

So a=±4

So z=-4 + i or z=4- i

What did I do wrong here? I'd continue to do something similar to get w, but these complex numbers for z are wrong:frown:

The working you've done is correct so you must've made a mistake beforehand or the ans is wrong.
Reply 15
Original post by keromedic
The working you've done is correct so you must've made a mistake beforehand or the ans is wrong.


What did you get? I feel like just giving up, it's so bloody hard:frown::frown::frown:
Original post by krisshP
How do I do that?

this is what I tried
z^2 = 15 - 8i
Let z=a + bi
(a+bi)(a+bi)=15-8i
a^2 - b^2 + 2abi=15-8i
Real: a^2 - b^2 = 15 [1]
Imaginary: 2ab=-8, so a=-4/b [2]

Sub[2] into [1]:
(-4/b)^2 - b^2 = 15
b^4 -1=0
(b^2 +1)(b^2 -1)=0
Since b is an element of the real number set,
b=±1

So a=±4

So z=-4 + i or z=4- i

What did I do wrong here? I'd continue to do something similar to get w, but these complex numbers for z are wrong:frown:


(4-i)^2=15-8i so this answer is correct
Reply 17
Original post by brianeverit
(4-i)^2=15-8i so this answer is correct


But my textbook says that
z=2+3i, w=1-2i
z=2+I, w=3-2i

Is the book wrong?
Reply 18
Original post by krisshP
But my textbook says that
z=2+3i, w=1-2i
z=2+I, w=3-2i

Is the book wrong?


Book's right I'm afraid!

I did a load of horrendous working out earlier based on the wrong equation and thought the book was wrong, but actually you can solve the quadratic derived by Khalil in the usual way (i.e. the quadratic formula) to get. the solutions you need.

You should get to

w2+4(i1)w8i1=0w^2 + 4(i-1)w - 8i - 1 = 0

- plug this mess into the quadratic formula and the discriminant works out quite nicely :smile:
Original post by krisshP
But my textbook says that
z=2+3i, w=1-2i
z=2+I, w=3-2i

Is the book wrong?


Sincere apologies for leading everyone up the garden path but my method does not work, because the conjugate of z+iw is NOT z-iw.

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