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I'm not sure this is true either though. Occupation worked in post-Nazi Germany for instance. In fact, if they'd just got rid of Saddam and left, what I would imagine would have happened is the fascists would have gained control immediately and it would have just descended into Islamist / sectarian hell even faster. I feel sorry for people in the middle east who want freedom; they seem to have no option available to them other than to emigrate.

Trust me they did more harm than good.
It diddnt work and they ended up killing ridiculous numbers of civilians.

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Truefaith

Original post by originaltitle

Their intention never was to get rid of Saddam. He was merely their scapegoat.

Thats also another way to look at it. Just after the oil.

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felamaslen

Original post by Truefaith

Trust me they did more harm than good.
It diddnt work and they ended up killing ridiculous numbers of civilians.

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I'm not arguing with that, I'm saying that just because the occupation which happened did not go well, does not mean that no occupation could have gone well.

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Aj12

Original post by Truefaith

Thats also another way to look at it. Just after the oil.

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Except the US imports of Iraqi oil went down after the invasion and have stayed down, if it was about oil they would have invaded their biggest oil trading partners Canada and Mexico. As for their oil companies Chinese, French and Russian oil companies have done better out of the war than any US one

Reply 44

Truefaith

Original post by felamaslen

I'm not arguing with that, I'm saying that just because the occupation which happened did not go well, does not mean that no occupation could have gone well.

Its a slim chance of going well. Not worth it.

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Reply 45

Truefaith

Original post by Aj12

Those countries are stronger than Iraq it was even weaker due to saddam plus that way they could disguise their intentions.

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Reply 46

lucas13

so its ok for these leaders to kill their own people then. it just happens to be that all these countries are run really badly.

Reply 47

Qari

Original post by Aj12

Russia would not go to war with America over Syria, its a laughable suggestion

You clearly didn't watch the news at the time then.
And any excuse for a war. Or are you forgetting how world war 1 started

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Reply 48

Aj12

Original post by Qari

You clearly didn't watch the news at the time then

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I did and never saw Russia threatening to go to war with the US over Syria

Reply 49

CEKTOP

Original post by Qari

You clearly didn't watch the news at the time then.
And any excuse for a war. Or are you forgetting how world war 1 started

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Russia never threatened anybody with anything and the notion that it might go to war with the US is utterly ridiculous.

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Reply 50

felamaslen

Original post by Truefaith

Its a slim chance of going well. Not worth it.

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That I would probably have to agree with, even so it is a shame for the Iraqi people :frown:

But yeah, I do think that peace in the middle east will only really come about through people changing their own ideas, not through some outside influence.

Reply 51

Bill_Gates

Rightly so, Islam is very poor at governing itself. It does not have the scientific rationalism in order to succeed it brings terror on its own people?

Reply 52

Bill_Gates

Russia only looked out for Syria since it sells weapons, Just like the US looks out for Saudi. Both super powers have no respect for the leaders or their ideology.

Reply 53

CEKTOP

Original post by Bill_Gates

Russia only looked out for Syria since it sells weapons, Just like the US looks out for Saudi. Both super powers have no respect for the leaders or their ideology.

Russia is not a superpower.

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Reply 54

Truefaith

Original post by felamaslen

That I would probably have to agree with, even so it is a shame for the Iraqi people :frown:

But yeah, I do think that peace in the middle east will only really come about through people changing their own ideas, not through some outside influence.

Yes i agree.
Its not even the people in the middle east who need to change at the moment. They have to carry on rebuilding their country.

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Reply 55

Qari

Killing Gadaffi has caused more problems than solutions

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Reply 56

Aj12

The oil argument really makes me laugh. What is the one thing oil markets and the industry need above all else? Stability. What's the main thing war and invasions create? Instability. What is the one benefit of a dictatorship like Saddam or Gaddaffi? Stability. What's the main thing their removal provides? Instability.

Reply 57

GoyimCattle

All these wars are Zionist globalist wars! are you telling me Paul Wolfowitz isn't a Jew?Sending gentile kids to die in a war engineered by Zionists. I'm telling you all wars in recent history going back to even WW1 and WW2 were Zionist wars.It's all about resource grabbing, land grabbing. Who profits? maybe because Jews own most of these oil and resource companies?

Reply 58

MatureStudent36

Original post by Psyk

Notice how they were all secular leaders. They may have personally been Muslims ruling majority Muslim countries, but their political ideologies were secular.

Notice also how the first two had broken their nuclear non proliferation treaty obligations and also invaded neighbouring countries.

Reply 59

Psyk

Original post by MatureStudent36

Notice also how the first two had broken their nuclear non proliferation treaty obligations and also invaded neighbouring countries.

Well I'm not sticking up for them :tongue:

Just making the point that America didn't get rid of them (or support getting rid of them) because of their religion. As you say, there were clearly other reasons.