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Express f(θ) = 5 cos θ + 12 sin θ in the form RCos (θ-α)
I got: 13 cos - 1.176)

part b) Find the smallest possible value of 30f(θ)+2 \frac{30}{ f(\theta) + 2}

I'm completely stuck on how to do the second part, for the smallest value it would be -1 not sure how this would help me get the answer, thanks for all the help!

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Reply 1
Original post by IgorYakov
Express f(θ) = 5 cos θ + 12 sin θ in the form RCos (θ-α)
I got: 13 cos - 1.176)

part b) Find the smallest possible value of 30f(θ)+2 \frac{30}{ f(\theta) + 2}

I'm completely stuck on how to do the second part, for the smallest value it would be -1 not sure how this would help me get the answer, thanks for all the help!


What does this mean
Reply 2
Original post by TenOfThem
What does this mean



Sorry I didn't word that properly, for the smallest value for Cos it would be -1 right? So in the case of the 13 cos - 1.176) it would be -13?


Or is this completely different to maximum and minimum values?
Original post by IgorYakov
Express f(θ) = 5 cos θ + 12 sin θ in the form RCos (θ-α)
I got: 13 cos - 1.176)

part b) Find the smallest possible value of 30f(θ)+2 \frac{30}{ f(\theta) + 2}

I'm completely stuck on how to do the second part, for the smallest value it would be -1 not sure how this would help me get the answer, thanks for all the help!


f(θ)=Rcos(θα), where α=arctan(125) and R=13f(\theta) = R\cos \left( \theta - \alpha \right), \ \text{where} \ \alpha = \text{arctan} \left( \frac{12}{5} \right) \ \text{and} \ R=13

Which value of f(θ)f(\theta) would force 30f(θ)+2\frac{30}{ f(\theta) + 2} to take on it's smallest value?

Hint


Further Hint

(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 4
Original post by IgorYakov
Sorry I didn't word that properly, for the smallest value for Cos it would be -1 right? So in the case of the 13 cos - 1.176) it would be -13?


Your smallest value of f(theta) = -13

So what are the smallest and largest values of f(theta) + 2
Reply 5
Original post by Khallil
f(θ)=Rcos(θα), where α=arctan(125) and R=13f(\theta) = R\cos \left( \theta - \alpha \right), \ \text{where} \ \alpha = \text{arctan} \left( \frac{12}{5} \right) \ \text{and} \ R=13

Which value of f(θ)f(\theta) would force 30f(θ)+2\frac{30}{ f(\theta) + 2} to take on it's smallest value?

Hint


Further Hint





Ohh okay so for the maximum of 13 cos - 1.176) it is 13 as the maximum for a cos graph is 1 :biggrin:?
Reply 6
Original post by TenOfThem
Your smallest value of f(theta) = -13

So what are the smallest and largest values of f(theta) + 2



Wouldn't you just have one value of -13+2 for the minimum of -13?
Reply 7
Original post by IgorYakov
Wouldn't you just have one value of -13+2 for the minimum of -13?


-11 is indeed the minimum

what is the maximum
Original post by IgorYakov
Ohh okay so for the maximum of 13 cos - 1.176) it is 13 as the maximum for a cos graph is 1 :biggrin:?


:yep:

Now what does the fact that the maximum value of f(θ)f(\theta) being 13 tell you about 30f(θ)+2 ?\frac{30}{ f(\theta) + 2} \ ?
Reply 9
Original post by Khallil
:yep:

Now what does the fact that the maximum value of f(θ)f(\theta) being 13 tell you about 30f(θ)+2 ?\frac{30}{ f(\theta) + 2} \ ?



Original post by TenOfThem
-11 is indeed the minimum

what is the maximum




That it's 2 :biggrin:

Thanks! I was trying to find the minimum and not the maximum, I didn't realise that because it's on the denominator I needed the maximum for the whole number to be it's smallest



Khallil PRSOM
Original post by Khallil
f(θ)=Rcos(θα), where α=arctan(125) and R=13f(\theta) = R\cos \left( \theta - \alpha \right), \ \text{where} \ \alpha = \text{arctan} \left( \frac{12}{5} \right) \ \text{and} \ R=13

Which value of f(θ)f(\theta) would force 30f(θ)+2\frac{30}{ f(\theta) + 2} to take on it's smallest value?

Hint


Further Hint



You need to look at the specific question as your hint is not correct in this case
Original post by IgorYakov
That it's 2 :biggrin:

Thanks! I was trying to find the minimum and not the maximum, I didn't realise that because it's on the denominator I needed the maximum for the whole number to be it's smallest


Sorry - where have you got 2 from

That is not the maximum for the denominator nor the answer to the question
Reply 12
Original post by TenOfThem
Sorry - where have you got 2 from

That is not the maximum for the denominator nor the answer to the question




As it's 13 isn't it just 30/13+2?
Original post by IgorYakov
As it's 13 isn't it just 30/13+2?


no
Reply 14
Original post by TenOfThem
no



Ohh ok :redface: so what would I do after getting the maximum of 13?
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Original post by IgorYakov
Ohh ok :redface: so how what would I do after getting the maximum of 13?


Okay

Look at what I asked you

What are the minimum and maximum values of f(theta) + 2
Reply 16
Original post by TenOfThem
Okay

Look at what I asked you

What are the minimum and maximum values of f(theta) + 2


minimum -11, maximum 15?
Original post by IgorYakov
minimum -11, maximum 15?


ok - I always suggest that students consider both ends of the range

So

Which is smaller

30/-11 or 30/15
Original post by TenOfThem
Sorry - where have you got 2 from

That is not the maximum for the denominator nor the answer to the question


Really?

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Reply 19
Original post by TenOfThem
ok - I always suggest that students consider both ends of the range

So

Which is smaller

30/-11 or 30/15


30/-11

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