Afghanistan to reintroduce stoning for adultery- proof the War failed?

There's nothing wrong with stoning, or the fact that adultery is a punishable crime.

I must commend your lack of ad hominem/ranting, as usually happens on these sorts of forums, and i myself am guilty of.
well the reasoning is, they have wronged so badly that they forfeit their lives as punishment, and in the hopes potential criminals will see this and be deterred, much like any other punishment the UK gives out

I understand what your saying. I personally don't believe in the capital punishment in any country, Muslim or western (e.g. America). I just wish I could understand their reason for adultery to be bad enough to warrant death.

(I know I am judging others by my personal standards, but everyone survives my way )

THAT IS NOT FOLLOWING ISLAMIC LAW.


Being 'sold' to someone or whatever is forbidden. It makes the marriage void and is haram.



Yes they do have the option of divorce. Ask about it on the ask about islam thread for more info.


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Although I don't agree with execution full stop, there is something wrong with using a method which is intended to, or causes by result, unnecessary pain and suffering. It is a barbaric, drawn-out method of execution.

That is no different to killing someone with a gun. Different way, same outcome.

When I mean the 'west' I mean western ideals and ideologies, not specifically USA/ Europe. So when you say "everyone else" that comes under the West, since "everyone else" is fighting for democracy, of fighting for freedom from Islamist oppression.

But what part of adultery warrants death though? I mean, I understand the harm that can come from it. I just think (and again only my opinion) that the punishment of death is disproportionate to the 'crime'. If it had to be punished in a criminal sense, then couldn't their be a more humane method of punishment?

There must be 4 witnesses who agree on everything and saw it at the same time. They must all the trustworthy and reliable. Not gonna happen.

I've got mixed feelings on the death penalty. However its just the set of values and standards that is common in the muslin world.

Consider something that you would find the death penalty acceptable for and then just transfer that sense of conviction over to something else.

Afghanistan is a very rural country, and in many ways the people their like to live their lives a certain way. The religious council in Afghanistan is called the Ulema Council, they don't hold massively different views to the rule of religious law form the Taliban in some respects.

Things will change in Afghanistan to stop these things, but it'll take a generation or two.

This is the same old get out clause. 'They are not true muslims by doing this'.
Empirical evidence trumps your doctrine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8366197.stm
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jul/21/iran.humanrights
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/31/sudanese-woman-stoning-death-adultery

You show your complete blindness to the topic with your assertions. Have you ever been to Afghanistan?
Whatever the Koran says, women are routinely sold as wives, face almost insurmountable obstacles to attaining a divorce if the husband does not agree, and there is a widespread culture in Islamic culture of executing people for this sort of thing.
By simply washing your hands with the most cold hearted, lame excuse imaginable, you show how little you care about human welfare.
Your denials are about as believable as if the Catholic church merely responded to paedophilia by saying those people werent true catholics and took no further interest.

Do I need to post links to 4 videos on shock sites to prove to you that... it happens?

No.

Of what? People being stoned?


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Nah some of the stuff goes against islamic ideologies.


From extremists.


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I personally don't find the death penalty acceptable in any situation, but that's just me.

Anyway, to bring back your earlier point, I did read that Afghanistan did sign the Universal declaration of human right back in '48. (I acknowledge that they may have pulled out, changed their belief since then etc, still reading up on it myself atm.)

kinda like firing a gun in the dark and if it happens to hit an innocent person then so be it.

Muslim women being surrounded by savage muslim men and having stones repeatedly smashed off their heads and faces until they're unrecognizable... to be more precise.

There is a big difference between Islam, and Islamism. I view the latter as the opponent of the west, and the former an ally. Islam a peaceful religion, radical Islam is not. Any Muslim who fights radical Islam is western in my view.

Wth?

I am talking about islamic law and NONE of this is under it.


And it is un islamic and i (as do most if not all muslims) disagree.

I dont even think you read my post tbh. I said its not islamic. I diddnt even say anything about them personally.


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Hmm fair enough

Tbh i wouldnt call it islam.(assuming you are talking about the likes of the Taliban)


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