Alan Turing gets royal pardon for 'gross indecency'

Ermmmmm the queen decides this? Thought she was powerless.


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So why do it? By doing this what we are actually saying is that he deserved a pardon for the crime, not because it never should have been a crime but because he is a 'national hero', and I'm sorry but that is plain wrong.

Although you and I both know that's not what's going on here. It's an illogical combination of the two. It's happened partly because it shouldn't have been a crime at all, and partly because he's a national hero. Which is still a horrific message, because what it then implies is that this is only really an atrocity because it was done to such a great man. It's not really that much of an injustice to everyone else.

As with other powers the queen has she does what is asked by the government.

Great, but why just him?

Ermmmmm the queen decides this? Thought she was powerless.


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Ok now, my apprehension has been placated in the most inconsequential minutiae amount. An elected government shouldn't have to ask anyone to do something except its electorates and that like never happens. But this woman gets to be asked. What if she refuses?

God save our gracious queen


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You have to understand they're not really 'her' powers, they are the crown's powers. She is the symbol of 'the crown', but really it's an entity that is controlled by the government. All she really has to do is give advice and rubber stamp it. Even if she refuses to sign a bill, it's not really her that's refusing, it's the elected ministers of the government that really make the decision.

Realistically, she isn't personally going to refuse something because she personally doesn't like it. If she tries, then I'll become a republican

I understand the point that in reality she wouldn't blah blah blah.

But the fact that it could happen is what scares me. How are we to know if she hasn't refused or acted against the government before?


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If she did, why would the government keep it secret? If they didn't support her actions then it would be in their interest to make it public.

Ok now, my apprehension has been placated in the most inconsequential minutiae amount. An elected government shouldn't have to ask anyone to do something except its electorates and that like never happens. But this woman gets to be asked. What if she refuses?

God save our gracious queen


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Ok now, my apprehension has been placated in the most inconsequential minutiae amount. An elected government shouldn't have to ask anyone to do something except its electorates and that like never happens. But this woman gets to be asked. What if she refuses?

God save our gracious queen

Although the sentiment is correct its wrong. First of all, its a pardon not an apology. Second of all, the only reason he's been pardoned it because of his fame and acclaim for doing his job. He didn't need a pardon because he didn't do anything wrong, he was wrong uto be punished and hence should have received an apology, and that logic still applies to people who weren't excellent mathematicians.

Ermmmmm the queen decides this? Thought she was powerless.


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Well, your argument here is with whether pardons should exist at all, which is valid enough (although I don't agree), because that is basically what a pardon is. Let's face it, whilst homosexuality should never have been a crime, when it was, Turing was indeed 'guilty' of it. I mean, murderers who have been found guilty get pardons.