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Paedo teachers

yeah same but unrolling is fine and the looking you up an down on a daily basis is annoying but the male teachers I have right now do no such things...

exactly!

Reply 41

Autistic Merit

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Original post by Levingne

Oh trust me some male teachers don't even begin to disguise it. I don't blame them, they are surrounded by sixth formers/girls close to their age (this applies to young teachers obvs) but still they are your students, they don't have to have you staring at them till they feel uncomfortable. Don't get me wrong not all my male teachers are like that, it's just a few that make it too obvious.

Again, I really do believe you are perhaps seeing things that aren't there. You do realise that many of these teachers probably already have girlfriends/boyfriends/wives.

Reply 42

Gorwell

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Original post by Autistic Merit

Again, I really do believe you are perhaps seeing things that aren't there. You do realise that many of these teachers probably already have girlfriends/boyfriends/wives.

I understand what you mean by reading into things too much but It depends really. With some teachers everyone mistakenly labels them as a perv when they are actually being friendly and the students take it the wrong way but some others, not so much... I understand they have girlfriends/wives/boyfriends/husbands but it hasn't stopped people in the past.
I'm not implying those specific teachers are going to run off with students but some just generally look too much and need to tone it down a bit. I hope none of my teachers are stupid enough to risk their whole careers to pursue any interest with students though...

(edited 10 years ago)

Reply 43

Extremotroph

Original post by Steevee

And here we have the problem and reason we cannot effectively help these people. You repress, revile and discriminate against these people, you openly say you would. Now, in such an environment do you think any Paedophile will ever be able to come forward and seek help? The stigma attached to it guarantees they never will, and all you are doing by perpetuating the stigma is harming children and people unfortunate enough to have a sexual attraction they cannot help.

My disagreement that convicted peadophiles deserve the right to life, despite destroying the life of another, and that those who "come out" as it were, as paedophiles should not have the right to be anywhere near children, is a problem? There was me thinking that paedophiles were the problem.

You do not recognise the element of Will. Like a drug addict can will himself to be free of cravings and his own will to take drugs (if it his desire to be free of drugs), a paedophile feeds his will through his own thoughts and fantasies. If you want to excuse them because it's simply "chemicals in the brain" or "faulty wiring", rather than simply their lack of application of will, then that is simply your view.

If you wish to excuse paedophiles on the basis of a "lack of control" on their part, then there should be no reason for the criminal justice system to exist.

This is patently untrue.

One example: Jimmy Saville and his paedo protecting pals.

Reply 44

Extremotroph

Original post by Autistic Merit

Well then I sure hope you're no parent of a child in my school.

So you would employ a paedophile as a teacher?

Reply 45

Jupers

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If a teacher does anything with a student they should never be allowed to teach again.
If a teacher is into people younger than themselves but knows their boundaries in school (and within the law) I think it's okay. At the end of the day you can't discriminate for who people like, if I worked in an office and found someone attractive there I should know my boundaries first.

Reply 46

pandabird

Original post by Autistic Merit

All schools have a rigorous interviewing system and all teachers have to pass a CRB. I'm sure he was safe.

You best be ****ing kidding me mate

Reply 47

Autistic Merit

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Original post by Extremotroph

So you would employ a paedophile as a teacher?

If they had no convictions, yes. How else would you know anyway?

Original post by pandabird

You best be ****ing kidding me mate

You have to jump through several hoops to become a teacher: degree, PGCE, CRB, interview. Hardly paedo paradise.

Reply 48

pandabird

Original post by Autistic Merit

If they had no convictions, yes. How else would you know anyway?

You have to jump through several hoops to become a teacher: degree, PGCE, CRB, interview. Hardly paedo paradise.

Why would any of those factors deter someone who is a pedophile?

Reply 49

chocolatesauce

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male teachers seem to be a problem (observation only)

Reply 50

Extremotroph

Original post by Autistic Merit

If they had no convictions, yes. How else would you know anyway?

Well concerning your apparent soft spot for paedophiles, which I assume and hope is Devil's Advocacy, let me ask you this:

You are a head teacher in charge of the hiring process. During an interview with a much needed candidate, he mentions "I have sexual fantasies regarding children". Don't you think it's a bit suspect, that someone with sexual fantasies regarding children would choose to work at a school?

Reply 51

Autistic Merit

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Original post by pandabird

Why would any of those factors deter someone who is a pedophile?

For a start, it takes at least four years to do all those. If you're that desperate, you'd find a quicker way.

Original post by chocolatesauce

male teachers seem to be a problem (observation only)

You're really going to have to expand on this. How many male teachers have you had?

Reply 52

Steevee

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Original post by Extremotroph

My disagreement that convicted peadophiles deserve the right to life, despite destroying the life of another, and that those who "come out" as it were, as paedophiles should not have the right to be anywhere near children, is a problem? There was me thinking that paedophiles were the problem.

You do not recognise the element of Will. Like a drug addict can will himself to be free of cravings and his own will to take drugs (if it his desire to be free of drugs), a paedophile feeds his will through his own thoughts and fantasies. If you want to excuse them because it's simply "chemicals in the brain" or "faulty wiring", rather than simply their lack of application of will, then that is simply your view.

If you wish to excuse paedophiles on the basis of a "lack of control" on their part, then there should be no reason for the criminal justice system to exist.

One example: Jimmy Saville and his paedo protecting pals.

So you back up your contention that 'most paedophiles' are psychopaths by making a single vague reference to a large group of people, none of whom have been diagnosed as psychopaths and none of whom have been through any sort of rehabilitation. Also worth noting you know little to none of their story and very few details of any of the cases. Perhaps you're new to this debate thing.

Anyway, not every convicted paedophile has harmed a child. What of those prosecuted for having Child Porn but have never harmed a child? That's like saying someone who had hardcore BDSM/Rape porn should never be allowed women. Of course I recognise will, but I'm sure you have sexual urges and fantasies other people would find odd or repulsive, everyone does. These probably do not define your sexuality, but they may. If these were harmful urges you could seek help or simply ignore them. However, if they defined your sexuality but were harmful you might wish to seek help. That is most difficult for anyone with an attraction to children because of the stigma, the way people like you and the general public demonise them makes it impossible for them to seek help if they so wished, hence the further repression and yes, in some cases people hurting children that may never have if they'd been able to seek help or talk about their urges without fearing being ostracised.

I am not defending those who harm children, I'm merely pointing out the obvious, the obvious people like you cannot see because of how emotionally charged the issue is. If you think I'm excusing them because of a lack of control then you have clearly misunderstood my argument and should read it again.

Reply 53

Swanbow

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There was a teacher at our school who was chatting up a girl in Year 10. They ended up exchanging 'explicit' photos. He was fired and got 4 years in prison. Another Sports technician at our school liked to groom the Year 11s and when they got into Sixth Form he'd sleep with them, bit of an open secret nothing was done about it or anything. Also my mate at university also had an experience of a teacher feeling his muscles while they alone in a room together, he doesn't like talking about it too much :lol:

Reply 54

chocolatesauce

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Original post by Autistic Merit

For a start, it takes at least four years to do all those. If you're that desperate, you'd find a quicker way.

You're really going to have to expand on this. How many male teachers have you had?

five but two have been sacked

Reply 55

Autistic Merit

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Original post by chocolatesauce

five but two have been sacked

The reasons for a sacking are never disclosed, they may have just been incompetent.

Reply 56

chocolatesauce

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Original post by Autistic Merit

The reasons for a sacking are never disclosed, they may have just been incompetent.

no they were sexually harassing girls...

Reply 57

Qari

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Original post by chocolatesauce

no they were sexually harassing girls...

didn't any girl tell their relatives?

Reply 58

katinthehat

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Original post by Autistic Merit

Any experiences? Should they be permanently removed?

Discuss.

I had a teacher wink at me, seemingly inappropriately, but you can't punish someone for winking, can you? It's just one of those things that's legal, but not necessarily socially acceptable, like socks and sandals. Or ****ing on a plane.