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P(A'nB) / P(A'uB)

Hi,

I DON'T want to know the formula. I want to understand the concept.

P(A'nB)
I've searched and searched, but I just don't understand it.
Firstly, the meaning. I know it's trying to say "the probability of not A AND B" - Right? So this essentially means P(A') + P(B)?
So, on a Venn Diagram, you'd shade in everything apart from the "ONLY A" section.
If so, it doesn't seem to be giving me the right answers.
For example,

This (http://postimg.org/image/p075pgf5x/) is a Venn diagram to represent the random selection of cards from a pack of 52. A represents Ace and D represents Diamond.

I understand everything apart from working out the probability of P(A'nD)
As stated above, I'd shade in everything apart from the "ONLY A" section which gives me 3/52.

But the book states that P(A'nD) is the "event the card chosen is not Ace and is a Diamond"

So is the concept I stated above completely wrong???
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P(A'uB)
What does it mean?
How would it be represented on the Venn diagram?
In this question, what is P(A'uB)?

I just don't understand it because the book says one thing, and previous TSR threads say something else.

Thanks in advv! :biggrin:
Reply 1
Original post by ps1265A
Hi,

I DON'T want to know the formula. I want to understand the concept.

P(A'nB)
I've searched and searched, but I just don't understand it.
Firstly, the meaning. I know it's trying to say "the probability of not A AND B" - Right? So this essentially means P(A') + P(B)?
So, on a Venn Diagram, you'd shade in everything apart from the "ONLY A" section.
If so, it doesn't seem to be giving me the right answers.
For example,

This (http://postimg.org/image/p075pgf5x/) is a Venn diagram to represent the random selection of cards from a pack of 52. A represents Ace and D represents Diamond.

I understand everything apart from working out the probability of P(A'nD)
As stated above, I'd shade in everything apart from the "ONLY A" section which gives me 3/52.

But the book states that P(A'nD) is the "event the card chosen is not Ace and is a Diamond"

So is the concept I stated above completely wrong???



This is why I do not know why you want to use AND and OR

n means intersection - people/cards with BOTH qualities

So you need the group of people/cards who have "not A", who also have B

You are, in this case, looking at cards that are both Not Ace and Are Diamond

2D, 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D, 8D, 9D, 10D, JD, QD, KD
Reply 2
Original post by ps1265A


P(A'uB)
What does it mean?
How would it be represented on the Venn diagram?
In this question, what is P(A'uB)?

I just don't understand it because the book says one thing, and previous TSR threads say something else.

Thanks in advv! :biggrin:


Here is why I consider UNION to be the best description

You want all the Not A group to join with the B groups

So, now you have all the Not Aces and all the diamonds

This is all the cards apart from AC, AS, AH
Reply 3
and is not a good word to use for 'n'. P(AnB) is supposed to mean P(A intersection B), as in the situation where A as well as B happens, rather than the situation where A and B happens if that makes sense.
Reply 4
Original post by TenOfThem
Here is why I consider UNION to be the best description

You want all the Not A group to join with the B groups

So, now you have all the Not Aces and all the diamonds

This is all the cards apart from AC, AS, AH


Thanks, I understand the first part.

Isn't there a contradiction? All the Not Aces and all the diamonds (because the diamonds overlap with Aces)
Reply 5
Original post by ps1265A
Thanks, I understand the first part.

Isn't there a contradiction? All the Not Aces and all the diamonds (because the diamonds overlap with Aces)


The overlap is irrelevant

This is a union of 2 groups, if you happen to be in both groups that is ok


Or are you asking about the Ace of Diamonds, he gets in because ALL of the diamonds are allowed in this union
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 6
Original post by TenOfThem
The overlap is irrelevant

This is a union of 2 groups, if you happen to be in both groups that is ok


Or are you asking about the Ace of Diamonds, he gets in because ALL of the diamonds are allowed in this union


Nope, I think you've answered my question! Thanks
Reply 7
Original post by TenOfThem
The overlap is irrelevant

This is a union of 2 groups, if you happen to be in both groups that is ok


Or are you asking about the Ace of Diamonds, he gets in because ALL of the diamonds are allowed in this union


Is this about right?Venn.png2.jpg
Reply 8
Original post by ps1265A
Is this about right?Venn.png2.jpg


not the best images but, from what I can see, yes
Reply 9
Original post by TenOfThem
not the best images but, from what I can see, yes


Haha, I was in a rush! Thanks for the help!
Reply 10
Original post by tenofthem
not the best images but, from what i can see, yes


p(aub) = p(bua)?
P(a'ub) = p(b'ua)?
Original post by ps1265A
p(aub) = p(bua)?
P(a'ub) = p(b'ua)?


yes
no
Reply 12
Original post by TenOfThem
yes
no


P(A'uB) = P (BuA')
P(A'nB) = P (BnA')

I think they're right, just wanted to double check
Original post by ps1265A
P(A'uB) = P (BuA')
P(A'nB) = P (BnA')

I think they're right, just wanted to double check


Yes

P(AB)=P(BA)P(A \cup B) = P(B \cup A)

P(AB)=P(BA)P(A \cap B) = P(B \cap A)

No matter what sets A and B are
Reply 14
Original post by TenOfThem
Yes

P(AB)=P(BA)P(A \cup B) = P(B \cup A)

P(AB)=P(BA)P(A \cap B) = P(B \cap A)

No matter what sets A and B are


Cumulative distribution function.png

I understand it, apart from the "interpolate" part.

PS: It's to do with cumulative distribution functions
Original post by ps1265A
Cumulative distribution function.png

I understand it, apart from the "interpolate" part.

PS: It's to do with cumulative distribution functions


If you have a continuous distribution then you are looking for a value within a group so you use interpolation

This is a discrete distribution

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