Nigel Farage backs part of Enoch Powell's speech but he is correct

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I'm not a fan of Farage, but this is a stupid tactic and only serves to discredit the interviewer.

Consider:

We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

What if I were to tell you that these are the words of Adolf Hitler (which they are)? Now I'm not a socialist myself, but if I were arguing with a socialist, I would not dream of turning this against them as some sort of argument against socialism.

Reply 21

Ace123

Original post by Quady

Well you don't seem to take much notice when people point out when you are factually incorrect.

it is a fact that the NHS and schools are massively overcrowded because of mass immigration and that standards in both of these services are falling because of it so in this respect Farage is correct to support Enoch's statement it is entirely accurate

Reply 22

tehforum

Original post by Cannotbelieveit

Lets be honest, Powell was completely right, immigration is causing massive strain on this country.

I am sure you have evidence to back this up.

Reply 23

Quady

Original post by Ace123

So they have longer waiting times (NHS) and larger class sizes (schools) than 20 years ago? 15 years ago? 10 years ago? Nope, nope and nope.

Reply 24

Cannotbelieveit

Original post by tehforum

I am sure you have evidence to back this up.

Oh I dunno, maybe all the headlines I've been seeing such as 'NHS on verge of collapse', 'Housing crisis', 'benefits budget spiralling out of control'.....

Reply 25

tehforum

Original post by Cannotbelieveit

Oh I dunno, maybe all the headlines I've been seeing such as 'NHS on verge of collapse', 'Housing crisis', 'benefits budget spiralling out of control'.....

I'm not talking about sensationalist, unsubstantiated soundbytes to appeal to the dumb people of this country.

I want facts.

Reply 26

The_Internet

Original post by L i b

I'm sure you could quote selected bits of Adolf Hitler speeches at any politician and they'd agree with them.

Tbf that's true. There's one quote I like by Hiter which is "What luck for rulers that men do not think" and Goebbels's quote on war. Some of my most favourite quotes come from tyrants..

Reply 27

L i b

Original post by de_monies

Tbf that's true. There's one quote I like by Hiter which is "What luck for rulers that men do not think" and Goebbels's quote on war. Some of my most favourite quotes come from tyrants..

I'm almost tempted to put “Words build bridges into unexplored regions" up on the wall of a secondary school English department.

Reply 28

Cannotbelieveit

Original post by tehforum

I'm not talking about sensationalist, unsubstantiated soundbytes to appeal to the dumb people of this country.

I want facts.

I'm not going to trawl the internet for you, anyone with an ounce of common sense should be able to understand that millions of people coming uncontrolled into a stable, established society will cause instability and problems. And thankfully, the majority is with me on this issue - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25630036

Not to mention the fact that the previous Government intentionally allowed this to happen to achieve their shameful agenda.

Reply 29

Hoenheim

Original post by Ace123

So Sky ambushed Farage with a quote from Enoch Powell's speech on immigration before revealing who said it and Farage agreed with the quote and supported his position again after it was revealed Enoch said it

'They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition'

but was he right to agree as the statement seems fairly accurate. Mass immigration has caused shortages in the NHS with a lack of beds, falling standards, benefit tourism and the longest waiting times ever. Also school places are extremely difficult with the biggest class sizes ever and some having to travel miles to get to school. As for the reference to areas changing beyond recognition this has been shown time and time again

So he the statement correct, Is Farage right to agree

Links have video:
-http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-nigel-farage-caught-agreeing-2991774
-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10552055/Nigel-Farage-the-basic-principle-of-Enoch-Powells-River-of-Blood-speech-is-right.html
-http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/05/ukip-nigel-farage-enoch-powell_n_4545681.html

yeah because all the illegal wars our country has been to, purely for the politicians pockets and arms companies, and which basically put us in such an economic strain in the first place has NOTHING to do with it lets just blame the easiest scapegoats, immigrants!!

Oh and lets say nothing to the corporate elite that are sucking the wealth of this country either. no lets just blame people from other countries who are of a different colour, culture etc

wow, the wise person who once told me that the masses in this country are undeniably stupid was correct.

if thats all you have to the argument, its not nearly enough. you don't know what rivers of blood are. try being invaded and murdered and seeing the ones you love being killed everyday and dumped into mass graves like our politicians subjected the iraqis, afghans, vietnamese to. not to mention the 500000 kids under the age of five dead due to the embargoes on Iraq prior to the war (starved, caught dysentary and other curable diseases, were not able to be treated because we didn't let any medicine in and died), the birth defects that are appearing now in iraqi children due to the US's use of chemical weapons in the region (white phosphorous, depleted uranium), the high rates of cancer among Iraqis in the 90s due to the depleted uranium used in the gulf war by the Americans and us the British. and have you SEEN the deformities of Vietnamese children?

Then and only then, when this country too has been reduced to a shadowland of death like those people were because of your governments, can you know what 'rivers of blood' are. Sickening people. Just sickening.
stfu with your stupid complaining. if we don't want so many people coming in we shouldn't have gone into their countries in the first place.

Cause and effect. and yes, all of the above has everything to do with this. just because the mainstream media that feeds us such incessant pabulum everyday as to turn us into orwellian zombies does not make the links does not mean they are not there.

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/alerts-2013/750-the-media-s-hypocritical-oath-mandela-and-economic-apartheid.html

http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_by_sanctions.html

http://www.whale.to/b/pilger9.html

Reply 30

Hoenheim

Original post by Cannotbelieveit

And thankfully, the majority is with me on this issue - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25630036

You do know the masses in this country, and any country like this that does not know REL instability and real hardship, are stupid? so using what i call the 'majority fallacy', thats not much to render your argument stronger, just saying. was it a quote by Mark Twain who said anytime you find yourself with the majority, time to stop and think?

that said, i get what you are saying, i can tell you the biggest strain on this country is not immigrants. its that 1% of elites who are sucking us dry. and the mass media is merely given us the scapegoats; immigrants, the weaker party to pour the blame on.

What you have said is Orwellian. yes, everyone has one ounce of common sense, only a few have gallons. That is why we are in ruins, our naiveté in electing the same twits over and over again, falling for the same rhetoric over and over again, and the biggest crime ever; staying silent while we watch the powers-that-be plunder and kill and not asking the hard questions.

You are asleep. You have fallen for it. the manipulation, the doctrine, the dogma. and the scariest thing is, you think you are awake.

Reply 31

Hoenheim

Original post by tehforum

I'm not talking about sensationalist, unsubstantiated soundbytes to appeal to the dumb people of this country.

I want facts.

he cannot give you facts beside more mainstream crap. all the people on this thread, and most threads on tsr, are asleep. they have fallen. big brother has won.

LOL

its true though.

Reply 32

WhiteFrdmFighter

The only thing that could possibly save Europe is nationalism and a deceleration of European independence that grants whites their human right of self determination and a homeland which has long been robbed from them.When they replace every white country with dark faces, call it diverse. No it isn't, it's genocide.

Reply 33

Marco1

Original post by Hoenheim

he cannot give you facts beside more mainstream crap. all the people on this thread, and most threads on tsr, are asleep. they have fallen. big brother has won.

LOL

its true though.

Such arrogant self-inflated language. The mark of a fool.

Reply 34

Bill_Gates

I hope immigration keeps flooding in to be honest.

(edited 10 years ago)

Reply 35

Hoenheim

Original post by Marco1

Such arrogant self-inflated language. The mark of a fool.

But you can't really challenge the points i made in the previous post about what real rivers of blood are and how we as citizens of this country better be careful in talking abut something that ha never happened to us and is happening to millions of others because of our governments, am i right?

Instead, you opt to quote the considerably smaller second post and insult my intellect, eh?

you could have challenged my argument and THEN called me a fool, like i presented my argument and THEN said how you are all being spoon fed incessant pabulum by the mainstream media.

But No. You just talk about the mark of a fool. pure comment, no data.

The I R O N Y

Jog on Mr Daily Mail. You are an obstruction to intellectual discourse. :smile:

Reply 36

Marco1

Original post by Hoenheim

LOL!

Reply 37

Hoenheim

Original post by WhiteFrdmFighter

learn the real meaning of genocide. and thank you you have stirred within me a great idea that i had been trying to grasp for some time, I will be using your post for my next blog article/post, explaining the meaning of genocide to you and people like you, as well as giving ongoing examples. Happy day.

Reply 38

Hoenheim

Original post by Marco1

LOL!

sigh, see what i mean. you still didn't produce the argument. and i really expected you to, begin such a totally intelligent person who can easily go around calling silly little things like me arrogant fools.