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Do you see women who do topless/nude modelling as whores?
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Original post by yelladdnaeroom
I'm pretty sure this countries welfare system will clothe, feed, house and educate these young ladies without them degrading themselves. Would you use the same argument if we were talking about women stealing food?
In fact, this is a topic of greater importance than stealing. There is more at stake here, the effects of sexualisation are horrendous
In fact, this is a topic of greater importance than stealing. There is more at stake here, the effects of sexualisation are horrendous
Are they? I have watched a lot of porn in my time and I have a great relationship with my girlfriend, and actually find it easier to connect with women than men.
I think what most influences the way men treat women is down to their upbringing, and seeing the way the men in their lives treat women.
I don't think getting lots of boners from seeing sexy naked ladies does much at all. If men weren't seeing them they'd be imagining them.
Original post by KingBradly
Are they? I have watched a lot of porn in my time and I have a great relationship with my girlfriend, and actually find it easier to connect with women than men.
I think what most influences the way men treat women is down to their upbringing, and seeing the way the men in their lives treat women.
I don't think getting lots of boners from seeing sexy naked ladies does much at all. If men weren't seeing them they'd be imagining them.
I think what most influences the way men treat women is down to their upbringing, and seeing the way the men in their lives treat women.
I don't think getting lots of boners from seeing sexy naked ladies does much at all. If men weren't seeing them they'd be imagining them.
Personal experiences are irrelevant when discussing societal issues. Have a look at rape statistics in countries who have sexualised societies and compare to conservative ones
Only women and beta males will say no . The rest of us know they a whores
Original post by yelladdnaeroom
Personal experiences are irrelevant when discussing societal issues. Have a look at rape statistics in countries who have sexualised societies and compare to conservative ones
First off, I think personal experiences are not irrelevant. Secondly, what kind of 'sexualised' societies are we talking about here? The middle east has a very austere society which generally is very much against the propagation of sexualised images. I think you'll find rape rates are pretty high there, its just that very few of the crimes are reported, especially in countries where being the victim of rape is actually punishable.
The same goes for a lot of African countries.
Japan has a LOT of sexualisation in its society. It has very low rate of rape. In fact I guarantee that every country where there is a lot of sexualisation has lot less rape, its just reported far more.
Your argument is completely flawed.
Original post by Aniaa
I love the way boys say such girls are totally whores but then **** anytime they see nude photo of a female....
Very true, but to be honest the people who I see defending them most commonly are men.
I don't think that they are whores but I don't have any respect for them if they are modelling specifically to get viewers blood pumping like the do in 'lads mags'.
There are loads of women with beautiful bodies that could get their kit off it doesn't take any skill or talent. Women are lowering their own sense of self-worth and they become sexual objects to others. This harbours sexist tendencies in men who then go on to expect all females to be there for the sexual satisfaction.
How can we have equality when some women are belittling themselves and endorsing sexism?
There are loads of women with beautiful bodies that could get their kit off it doesn't take any skill or talent. Women are lowering their own sense of self-worth and they become sexual objects to others. This harbours sexist tendencies in men who then go on to expect all females to be there for the sexual satisfaction.
How can we have equality when some women are belittling themselves and endorsing sexism?
Original post by SophiaKeuning
Because being an artist or scientist or doctor or whatever is actual talent? it's easy to get your tits out. It's not that crap, there's worse jobs out there and you can get money fast. But that's it, you're just getting so much money for doing nothing. i'm saying it's not ideal, and it's not something you should strive for. But I won't judge a person for it, because most of us won't end up doing something ideal with our lives. Do you really think that a guy who spends his entire day every day getting off to images of naked girls is not leading a crap life style in comparison to the guy who takes his day to actually use his mind? One is shallow animalistic gratification and the other is more.
I kind of understand. Being a model or celebrity for your body is not something that you want children to strive to be, it doesnt really benefit society. I guess this is what we get from capitalism.
Feminists do. Strangely enough.
Original post by StrangestThings
I don't think that they are whores but I don't have any respect for them if they are modelling specifically to get viewers blood pumping like the do in 'lads mags'.
There are loads of women with beautiful bodies that could get their kit off it doesn't take any skill or talent. Women are lowering their own sense of self-worth and they become sexual objects to others. This harbours sexist tendencies in men who then go on to expect all females to be there for the sexual satisfaction.
How can we have equality when some women are belittling themselves and endorsing sexism?
There are loads of women with beautiful bodies that could get their kit off it doesn't take any skill or talent. Women are lowering their own sense of self-worth and they become sexual objects to others. This harbours sexist tendencies in men who then go on to expect all females to be there for the sexual satisfaction.
How can we have equality when some women are belittling themselves and endorsing sexism?
Im not saying I agree with them but many women would argue tooth and nail to say that they are being 'liberated' by doing such acts. I think those arguments tend to come from the more radical side of the feminist movement though.
On one hand you have some feminists fighting for more job equality, better representation in different areas etc and others promoting women using their bodies to benefit themselves (Capitalism).
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Original post by StrangestThings
I don't think that they are whores but I don't have any respect for them if they are modelling specifically to get viewers blood pumping like the do in 'lads mags'.
There are loads of women with beautiful bodies that could get their kit off it doesn't take any skill or talent. Women are lowering their own sense of self-worth and they become sexual objects to others. This harbours sexist tendencies in men who then go on to expect all females to be there for the sexual satisfaction.
How can we have equality when some women are belittling themselves and endorsing sexism?
There are loads of women with beautiful bodies that could get their kit off it doesn't take any skill or talent. Women are lowering their own sense of self-worth and they become sexual objects to others. This harbours sexist tendencies in men who then go on to expect all females to be there for the sexual satisfaction.
How can we have equality when some women are belittling themselves and endorsing sexism?
hey, get your boobies out for me and I'll give you a fiver. Ho about show me your ass for another 5 and maybe some off that uncut grass for 10? sound good? pm me if interested
Original post by theoferdinand
Only women and beta males will say no . The rest of us know they a whores
No people who know the definition of the word whore will say no. People who don't will THINK they know that they are whores.
Original post by pinkmobilephone
1) there are plenty of men who are married to nude models. There are even nude models who have children, and pretty stable regular monogamous family lives. *gasp* imagine that!
2) many people "sell themselves". Fashion/perfume advert/hand models sell themselves. Life models (you know, the ones who stand still nude so that trainee artists can draw the human body) sell themselves (or would you put them into the same category as a page 3 girls?) hell even celebrity impersonators sell themselves.
3) being looked at by other people, is not the same as having sex with them. Just as going to a zoo to look at the animals there is not the same as riding them, stroking them, or committing bestiality with them. Nude models, exotic dancers (barring lap dancing), hell even cam girls, are only being looked at. They are not physically engaging with another person in any way.
The definition of a "whore" is somebody who has sexual relations with somebody else for money. Somebody who is merely being looked at, is not doing this.
4) why should you lose respect for somebody who is earning good money in a legal and safe way, without having to resort to stepping on other people? I have far far less respect for politicians and bank managers than i do for nude models.
2) many people "sell themselves". Fashion/perfume advert/hand models sell themselves. Life models (you know, the ones who stand still nude so that trainee artists can draw the human body) sell themselves (or would you put them into the same category as a page 3 girls?) hell even celebrity impersonators sell themselves.
3) being looked at by other people, is not the same as having sex with them. Just as going to a zoo to look at the animals there is not the same as riding them, stroking them, or committing bestiality with them. Nude models, exotic dancers (barring lap dancing), hell even cam girls, are only being looked at. They are not physically engaging with another person in any way.
The definition of a "whore" is somebody who has sexual relations with somebody else for money. Somebody who is merely being looked at, is not doing this.
4) why should you lose respect for somebody who is earning good money in a legal and safe way, without having to resort to stepping on other people? I have far far less respect for politicians and bank managers than i do for nude models.
well said.
Original post by DirtyHarry01
Im not saying I agree with them but many women would argue tooth and nail to say that they are being 'liberated' by doing such acts. I think those arguments tend to come from the more radical side of the feminist movement though.
On one hand you have some feminists fighting for more job equality, better representation in different areas etc and others promoting women using their bodies to benefit themselves (Capitalism).
On one hand you have some feminists fighting for more job equality, better representation in different areas etc and others promoting women using their bodies to benefit themselves (Capitalism).
I would consider it liberating to if they were not targeting men and being sexually provocative. I also do not think the fact it is liberating is really why they are doing it, I think money and fame are the driving factors. That to me is sad because they are degrading themselves and their bodies in pursuit of wealth.
I would not call the women in those mags radical feminists, the majority wouldn't know what the word meant if they were slapped round the face with the word. I know that is harsh but sadly from my experience true.
Every woman has boobs to make a living of getting yours out isn't something inspiring. It is a shame that women have no aspiration to do something a little more respectable.
Original post by yelladdnaeroom
hey, get your boobies out for me and I'll give you a fiver. Ho about show me your ass for another 5 and maybe some off that uncut grass for 10? sound good? pm me if interested
HAAAAAAAAAA. Way too expensive for you.
Anyways I only deal in swaps.
Original post by ihatebrownbread
No people who know the definition of the word whore will say no. People who don't will THINK they know that they are whores.
Ok lets put it like this .They are women who no respectable man should date or have kids with
Original post by Aniaa
I love the way boys say such girls are totally whores but then **** anytime they see nude photo of a female....
I don't think they are whores, but having a **** when they see the photos actually adds to the claim they are whores as they being used to solve a sexual urge.
****ing over a picture of them is exactly what you'd do if you thought these people were whores...
Original post by theoferdinand
Ok lets put it like this .They are women who no respectable man should date or have kids with
Still fails in a logical world as that's an opinion.
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