Muslim couple arrested in Sweden for 'smacking son when he refused to pray'

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Long term effects… from 3 years old to 5?! How on earth is that long term? The way that article phrased it made it seem they were aggressive because they were spanked… whereas it could be interpreted and it is my belief that they were spanked because they were aggressive… food for thought.

From that same article:

The association remained even after her team accounted for varying levels of natural aggression in children, suggesting, she says, that "it's not just that children who are more aggressive are more likely to be spanked."

And here's a more extensive article for your long term effects. :smile:

Reply 61

Ronove

Original post by Tai Ga

Jesus it was a slap on the hand. It's not like they got out a rolling pin and started profusely beating the child.

It's also quite funny seeing how different responses are on this thread compared to ones toward the british man claiming he was a prophet. After all you should obey the laws of the country you're in right? :teehee:

I don't recall reading anything in this article suggesting that the parents of this child had a long history of mental illness (which was a large part of the outrage re the man in the blasphemy case, as far as I am aware)...

Reply 62

Heliosphan

Original post by GreenOut

When children think they're untouchable it breeds arrogance and makes them think they can behave however they want, if all they'll get is a telling off or be 'sent to their room' (which is the most bs punishment of all time). It's no coincidence that the extreme majority of children who misbehave in school or public places are white children as those are the children that are most likely to never have been beaten at home. I would never have acted out as a child because I would know an ass-whooping is on its way. It taught me much more efficiently than any other method the differences between right and wrong at the most critical stage of my life.

If you have to smack someone to instill discipline it means you're a ****ing idiot and a useless parent.

I hope that's concise enough.

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Reply 63

flyyoufools

Original post by GreenOut

This is such bs. I was hit as a child and so was almost everyone I know and we all turned out much better than those kids who went to school with us and weren't smacked. Smh white people

That doesn't always happen. I was never hit as a child and although I played up when I was younger, I always knew how far I could push it before it stopped being a laugh and was wrong. I was taught that by my parents along with respect and my respect for my parents and teachers etc. stopped me from screwing around. One of my friends was hit as a child as discipline and for her it just made her rebel even more. I also know one other person who was hit as a child and although he's a nice kid, he's one of the cockiest and worst behaved people I know. Hitting works as discipline for some but if you don't raise the child well in the first place or you use it as discipline for minor things then I can't see it working.

Reply 64

missfats

Original post by GreenOut

Wooden spoons were my mums weapon of choice… sometimes she'd even make me get it for her!

This whole thread reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

Long term effects… from 3 years old to 5?! How on earth is that long term? The way that article phrased it made it seem they were aggressive because they were spanked… whereas it could be interpreted and it is my belief that they were spanked because they were aggressive… food for thought.

Walla yuno. My mom use to grab my hair and pull me into my room calling my big bro to get the wire lool funny timez :ahee:

everytime me and my mom remember this walla. Best childhood memories.

If these parents got arrested for a slap then my mom would properly face death row aha. But then again I wouldn't let that happen, I had a good upbringing :awesome:

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Reply 65

Stanno

Original post by missfats

Walla yuno. My mom use to grab my hair and pull me into my room calling my big bro to get the wire lool funny timez :ahee:

everytime me and my mom remember this walla. Best childhood memories.

White people are just so naive, if these parents got arrested for a slap then my mom would properly face death row aha. But then again I wouldn't let that happen, I had a good upbringing :awesome:

Reply 66

arxtra

Original post by Al-Mudaari

Explaining "rationally and logically" why something is wrong to a child... All the best with that.

Just because you can't fathom that parents (very frequently) bring up well-adjusted children without resorting to violence doesn't take away from that very fact. Maybe you ought to learn a thing or two from them instead of excusing child abuse out of incredulity.

You may also want to apply that to your wife/wives, considering the religious stance on the matter.

Reply 67

missfats

Original post by Stanno

It may seem shocking but in somali culture.. its very very common to hit your children. Not oTT beatings but things like slaps, throwing shoes, etc. As umar mentioned, mothers are nothing compared to fathers. Dads get out that belt ynoe, :ahee:

Yet somali children are one of the least to be in social care, its very unheard off. Even if it is, it's mostly a single mother with a mental condition etc.

Ironic rather.

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Reply 68

Ronove

Original post by missfats

Yet somali children are one of the least to be in social care, its very unheard off. Even if it is, it's mostly a single mother with a mental condition etc.

Ironic rather.

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Have you any idea what kind of variables you'd have to have looked at to be credibly drawing such comparisons?

Reply 69

James222

why has TSR gotten rid of downvoting ? TSR already has a massive troll problem,

Reply 70

missfats

Original post by Ronove

Have you any idea what kind of variables you'd have to have looked at to be credibly drawing such comparisons?

I never said it doesn't happen.

Its unheard of. Ive lived in England for nearly 12 years now and only ever heard of a few children going to the social services but never for child abuse. But then again somali children do not buy into the "child abuse" BS every second of their lives. Parents who cross a line to the point it damages the child is = child abuse. There is nothing wrong with smacking your child.

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Reply 71

arxtra

Original post by missfats

Yet somali children are one of the least to be in social care, its very unheard off. Even if it is, it's mostly a single mother with a mental condition etc.

Ironic rather.

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Yes, no doubt slapping and hitting your children with shoes contributed greatly to the shining successes of Somalia and Somalians around the world. What do those "naive white people" know, with their 'don't beat your child' ethics and their silly 'human rights' ways?

Reply 72

seaholme

Original post by Juichiro

link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_blasphemy_case

Reply 73

Ronove

Original post by missfats

You appear to have entirely missed the point. Can you break down what kind of things you looked at to come to the conclusion that Somali children go into care less often than non-Somali children, and how that says anything? I'm presuming you looked at actual rates within communities and not anecdotal evidence, right? And I'm presuming you considered why and how children who are abused actually get to the point of being put into care, and, for example, how many Somali children get put into care versus how many Somali children would be put into care were the authorities aware of what goes on in each individual Somali household? Do Somali families report abuse going on in other Somali households at the same rate that white British households report abuse going on in other white British households?

...or have you looked into absolutely none of that?

Reply 74

Yi-Ge-Ningderen

Original post by Al-Mudaari

There's a lot of hypocrisy on this thread, considering how many people would give a light smack to their own children in order to teach them the difference between right and wrong.

Explaining "rationally and logically" why something is wrong to a child... All the best with that.

Or biased swedes say it was child abuse. Ever thought of that angle instead of having your confirmation bias?

Akhi, this is a country that allows bestiality porn to be distributed. Before 1st of Jan this year, they had even
allowed it to be legal to carry out the act yourself.

Can't expect better than these animals.

Genuine Question: Which people do you actually like? Apart from the people who are fighting against Assad (which I think you support), what other groups?

Also, I have a question about Islam, can I ask you?

Reply 75

missfats

Original post by arxtra

Oh come on.. your high on yemeni food please. I can spot from a mile away.

On a serious note: I must say my 2 younger brothers never get hit and they turned out to be right ungrateful guys. My mom should have continued these strict procedures from the 90s.

Hitting your child does not = child abuse. You must have a fallical way of thinking if so. A parent has a right to discipline their child without harming their child psychologically or physically. My behaviour sets back on my upbringing, why do you think that some children who's parents are alcoholics turn out to have an alcohol addiction? Because of the exposure of seeing their parent do a certain action. Young children generally look up to the parents for moral guidance as well as honing their abilities of instincts.

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Reply 76

niceguy95

Original post by Lost Cloud

If they are imprisoned for hitting their child on the HAND then they might as well arrest every Black, Middle-Eastern and Asian family in Sweden.

Exactly!

Reply 77

Al-Mudaari

Original post by arxtra

Just because you can't fathom that parents (very frequently) bring up well-adjusted children without resorting to violence doesn't take away from that very fact.

Why are you reading into things, where did I say this or is this just a confirmation bias from you? I mean, if you had actually studied the sira, you would've seen such a statement as being very contradictory.

Secondly, I doubt most people would agree with you calling "light smacking" as a form of discipline to be tantamount to a "violent upbringing".

Original post by arxtra

Maybe you ought to learn a thing or two from them instead of excusing child abuse out of incredulity.

Many people who aren't even Muslims on this thread would clearly disagree. That's a little embarrassing, but then again, you don't realise that you have little basis for what you perceive to be "abuse". I mean, with what right or "basis" are you lecturing others about child abuse?

Original post by arxtra

You may also want to apply that to your wife/wives, considering the religious stance on the matter.

Right, and what is the stance? Are you going to now paste me random ahadith and ayah that you've self-interpreted? Or are you going to actually teach me Islamic theology and show what authoritative fu.qaha like Ibn Hajar, Nawawi, Shafi'i and Sahabah like Ibn Abbas explained? Of course, if you're a scholar yourself who has memorized 100's of thousands of ahadith (and not just "read Bukhari" which I doubt anyways), who's got excellent Arabic and can pin point every hadith that points to a certain context or a verse, understands usul ul hadith and uloom ul Qur'an, then feel free to give your own Mujtahid wannabe interpretation.

Or alternatively, since you believe your so good at it, why not start pasting words with random dictionary meanings? I mean go on, humour me, what do the ahadith you posted earlier actually mean in Shariah? Can you really "beat your child" in Islam?

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Reply 78

Stanno

Original post by arxtra

Damn, I'm out of rep. :argh:

Reply 79

donutaud15

I don't see anything wrong with the occasional smacking (and I'm speaking as someone who was abused as a child so I know the difference between being beaten up and smacking). However people should follow the law, if they don't like it they can leave. Shouldn't have any special treatment.

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