How would fellow "ethnic" people feel if the tables were turned? *Multiculturalism*
Today I took a train and one of the stops was Southall. I know that there is a large Punjabi speaking community in the Southall area and already knew about the Punjabi translation on all signs on the station. I'm not disputing the Punjabi on the signs as the area is populated almost completely by those who speak the language. However, it led me to think about the extent and result of mass immigration over the years. My own parents are immigrants, who both work for the NHS as Doctors blah blah blah. I constantly hear the "you're so racist" or "multiculturalism is great you xenophobe" response whenever a white English individual tries to raise an opposing view which has got me to thinking...
I've asked some friends who are Arab/Indian/Afghan/Somali and white how they feel about the large communities of immigrants who group together in certain areas. They all thought it was good that they had somewhere to go/shop/socialise with their own. I think that is ridiculous. I began to feel a bit bad for the white people of Southall (lol). I've read and heard countless discussions about how white people escape areas like Southall because they are not "pleasant" for them. I can imagine it being strange, being the only white person in an area... in England. I never understood the term "integrate" whenever the EDL leader moron used it but now I kind of understand the angle he was coming from *blasphemy!* 90% of the people on the platform were ethnic. It was strange for me to see as I don't live in a predominantly Asian area and am used to seeing Asians as the minority.
I then asked friends how they would feel if the country of their parents were flooded by immigrants who adopted larger areas for themselves and slowly drove their "indigenous" group out. *I'm not suggesting this was a conscious action taken by immigrants, it's just the natural result of mass immigration* They said they would be angry, would fight back for their country and would protest against the immigrants.
This is where the contradiction lies. We are all so pleased about mass immigration (children of immigrants such as myself), and all ethnic people defend it strongly. But once we place ourselves in the shoes of the average white English person we respond angrily. *Again, I'm not suggesting all ethnic people feel this way, I'm simply raising a point of view that I haven't seen discussed here before- alright fella*
Is it truly a problem, can anything even be done about it (I don't think it can at all and don't see why it should be- I was just surprised by their responses) and are white people just forced into silence and remaining PC?
P.S. I love all my Asian people lol don't get offended by this, you're all lovely and I absolutely love Jalebi, Pantua etc. PC.
I've asked some friends who are Arab/Indian/Afghan/Somali and white how they feel about the large communities of immigrants who group together in certain areas. They all thought it was good that they had somewhere to go/shop/socialise with their own. I think that is ridiculous. I began to feel a bit bad for the white people of Southall (lol). I've read and heard countless discussions about how white people escape areas like Southall because they are not "pleasant" for them. I can imagine it being strange, being the only white person in an area... in England. I never understood the term "integrate" whenever the EDL leader moron used it but now I kind of understand the angle he was coming from *blasphemy!* 90% of the people on the platform were ethnic. It was strange for me to see as I don't live in a predominantly Asian area and am used to seeing Asians as the minority.
I then asked friends how they would feel if the country of their parents were flooded by immigrants who adopted larger areas for themselves and slowly drove their "indigenous" group out. *I'm not suggesting this was a conscious action taken by immigrants, it's just the natural result of mass immigration* They said they would be angry, would fight back for their country and would protest against the immigrants.
This is where the contradiction lies. We are all so pleased about mass immigration (children of immigrants such as myself), and all ethnic people defend it strongly. But once we place ourselves in the shoes of the average white English person we respond angrily. *Again, I'm not suggesting all ethnic people feel this way, I'm simply raising a point of view that I haven't seen discussed here before- alright fella*
Is it truly a problem, can anything even be done about it (I don't think it can at all and don't see why it should be- I was just surprised by their responses) and are white people just forced into silence and remaining PC?
P.S. I love all my Asian people lol don't get offended by this, you're all lovely and I absolutely love Jalebi, Pantua etc. PC.
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I agree with this. I'm a white Brit, and it is the same near my area of Rotherham. There are many many Asians there, and recently many Romanians. People do not like the fact that their favourite fruit and veg shop is now a halal butchers, or the local supermarket is now only Pakistani imports. When people complain about this, they are told to stop being racist and accept the 'multiculturalism' as a good thing. I am all for skilled immigrants like doctors coming into the country, whatever their nationality as they can contribute to our society and integrate. However, when masses of unskilled migrants arrive here and begin to alienate white British people, this is not right and should never happen.
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Original post by olmyster911
I agree with this. I'm a white Brit, and it is the same near my area of Rotherham. There are many many Asians there, and recently many Romanians. People do not like the fact that their favourite fruit and veg shop is now a halal butchers, or the local supermarket is now only Pakistani imports. When people complain about this, they are told to stop being racist and accept the 'multiculturalism' as a good thing. I am all for skilled immigrants like doctors coming into the country, whatever their nationality as they can contribute to our society and integrate. However, when masses of unskilled migrants arrive here and begin to alienate white British people, this is not right and should never happen.
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Absolutely. I can completely sympathise with those who find themselves in such a position. I forgot about the food issue and the supermarkets only having products suited to the tastes/diet of immigrants. It is a difficult issue as there's not much that can really be done at this point. There are so many areas like Southall in the UK that are settled and quite developed. What do you think could be done to possibly aid integration?
Original post by Skip_Snip
I've never actually heard an explanation of why multiculturalism is a good thing?
Not even from a politician? lol. It's said that multiculturalism enables people to experience new ways of life (food/culture) yadda yadda yadda.
For thousands of years ethnic groups have stayed together wherever they were, and this will continue. I believe that it is too late to try to get these groups to integrate. The only possible solution would be to physically split them up or some other nonsense that, and of course, would never be allowed to happen. Unfortunately, all we can do now is stop more from coming, which again, is unlikely to occur because of the many people that deem it racist/nasty/unethical not to, and the pressure from the international community, namely Europe.
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Original post by thenewone61
Not even from a politician? lol. It's said that multiculturalism enables people to experience new ways of life (food/culture) yadda yadda yadda.
Hmm I could do without :P The peoples who flood out certain areas don't have anything to offer which you can't find in a shop or takeway within a couple of blocks of any town centre.
Ethnic ghettos are nothing new and nothing of great problems, look at areas in say Spain were a lot of British people live and little Spanish people. If the white people in Southall dont find it pleasant living there and than frankly it is their problem, what do you suggest? Allocating housing to certain ethnicity's so everything is proportionate?
I didn't realise a few British expat communities (who on the whole integrate apart from a select few) were comparable to hundreds of large Asian only communities that occur here..
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Original post by College_Dropout
Ethnic ghettos are nothing new and nothing of great problems, look at areas in say Spain were a lot of British people live and little Spanish people. If the white people in Southall dont find it pleasant living there and than frankly it is their problem, what do you suggest? Allocating housing to certain ethnicity's so everything is proportionate?
Yes, that is "their problem" indeed but nonetheless it is a problem. What makes you think I'd make such a ludicrous suggestion? I'm simply raising an issue that people rarely discuss on this site and made this thread to see the opinions of others.
"Is it truly a problem, can anything even be done about it (I don't think it can at all and don't see why it should be- I was just surprised by their responses) and are white people just forced into silence and remaining PC?"
There you go.
Go to Singapore, Dubai, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates in general. White people tend to live in gated communities, send their kids to international schools, they don't mix with local population let alone bother learning the language. Even those who spend most of their lives as expats.
Where I live (China; my parents are expats) they wouldn't stand for anything of the sort. I don't know why the UK bends over backwards for anyone and everyone though.
Original post by 2ndClass
Go to Singapore, Dubai, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates in general. White people tend to live in gated communities, send their kids to international schools, they don't mix with local population let alone bother learning the language. Even those who spend most of their lives as expats.
I grew up in Singapore and Hong Kong and my family still live in HK while I study here. No expats live in gated communities and the local kids go to the international schools just as much as us expats.
It's nowhere near as segregated as you think it is and definitely not in comparison to what's going on in London.
I don't like the idea of Punjabi signs or what have you at the train station.
I have no issue with immigration but I cannot stand immigrants who move to a country without any understanding of the language.
Not learning the language effectively makes you a disrespectful parasite.
That ties into the broader notion of learning the broad general customs, basic laws and so forth to.
I feel that if I was a Briton of immigrant parents or grandparents and they and others within my 'community' didn't speak English and basically just moved here to live like parasites off of the back of those who make the effort to make a real life here, I'd be properly ****ed off with their rotten attitudes.
Otherwise, live and let live in my opinion.
I have no issue with immigration but I cannot stand immigrants who move to a country without any understanding of the language.
Not learning the language effectively makes you a disrespectful parasite.
That ties into the broader notion of learning the broad general customs, basic laws and so forth to.
I feel that if I was a Briton of immigrant parents or grandparents and they and others within my 'community' didn't speak English and basically just moved here to live like parasites off of the back of those who make the effort to make a real life here, I'd be properly ****ed off with their rotten attitudes.
Otherwise, live and let live in my opinion.
Original post by -Invidious-
I grew up in Singapore and Hong Kong and my family still live in HK while I study here. No expats live in gated communities and the local kids go to the international schools just as much as us expats.
It's nowhere near as segregated as you think it is and definitely not in comparison to what's going on in London.
It's nowhere near as segregated as you think it is and definitely not in comparison to what's going on in London.
I beg to highly differ on that, from experience and from the sheer number of people I know who are/were in the same situation.The example of Anton Casey speaks for itself tbh.
Original post by Studentus-anonymous
I don't like the idea of Punjabi signs or what have you at the train station.
I have no issue with immigration but I cannot stand immigrants who move to a country without any understanding of the language.
Not learning the language effectively makes you a disrespectful parasite.
That ties into the broader notion of learning the broad general customs, basic laws and so forth to.
I feel that if I was a Briton of immigrant parents or grandparents and they and others within my 'community' didn't speak English and basically just moved here to live like parasites off of the back of those who make the effort to make a real life here, I'd be properly ****ed off with their rotten attitudes.
Otherwise, live and let live in my opinion.
I have no issue with immigration but I cannot stand immigrants who move to a country without any understanding of the language.
Not learning the language effectively makes you a disrespectful parasite.
That ties into the broader notion of learning the broad general customs, basic laws and so forth to.
I feel that if I was a Briton of immigrant parents or grandparents and they and others within my 'community' didn't speak English and basically just moved here to live like parasites off of the back of those who make the effort to make a real life here, I'd be properly ****ed off with their rotten attitudes.
Otherwise, live and let live in my opinion.
Because it's so easy to pick up Cantonese isn't it? Especially when everyone speaks English anyway.
Original post by 2ndClass
I beg to highly differ on that, from experience and from the sheer number of people I know who are/were in the same situation.The example of Anton Casey speaks for itself tbh.
Were you an expat kid?
I can't comment on the Emirates, but I know that Singapore and Hong Kong do not have expat ghetto's. My neighbours are Chinese and so are the people in the apartments above and below me. We also go to the same shops as the locals and we have lots of Chinese (as well as Indian and White) friends.
Bearing in mind that Hong Kong is 95% Chinese anyway, there's no way you can compare it to ethnic enclaves in London which is only 60% or so White British.
EDIT: My friends in school also came from all over the world, and a good number were Chinese or mixed race. The idea that there are massive expat enclaves in either Hong Kong or Singapore, with their own gated communities is a myth.
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Original post by 2ndClass
Go to Singapore, Dubai, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates in general. White people tend to live in gated communities, send their kids to international schools, they don't mix with local population let alone bother learning the language. Even those who spend most of their lives as expats.
I lived in the Middle East. The school I went to had like 500 kids, and something like 90 different nationalities in it. The gated community I lived in had Arabs, Whites, South Asians, East Asians.
People in the UK are absolutely obsessed with the idea of mass immigration destroying the national character of the country, when in excess of 80% of the nation remains White British. The UAE now has 90% immigrants and strongly retains its identity. This country needs to get over 'Little Britain getting taken over' hysteria.
Original post by olmyster911
For thousands of years ethnic groups have stayed together wherever they were, and this will continue. I believe that it is too late to try to get these groups to integrate.
Yes, because for thousands of years mass transport and immigration was not possible technologically and legally. In spite of that there are plenty of communities who did migrate through the Middle Ages - Jews and gypsies, for example.
Original post by Skip_Snip
I've never actually heard an explanation of why multiculturalism is a good thing?
I wouldn't say that multiculturalism is unequivocally a good thing, but I see absolutely no evidence for it being a destructive force either.
Look at some of the most successful countries in the world today: the US (non-Hispanic whites only 60% of the population), Singapore, the UAE. All extremely diverse and multicultural. On the other hand, you have countries such as Japan, South Korea, Norway - all highly homogeneous. On the basis of evidence, it doesn't really seem as if multiculturalism has deleterious effects on a nation, nor does it necessarily have positive impacts - it seems to have no correlation to the prosperity or success of the country.
What is undeniably a good thing though are open arms for highly skilled migrants. I hope I don't have to explain why . . .
Original post by thenewone61
This is where the contradiction lies. We are all so pleased about mass immigration (children of immigrants such as myself), and all ethnic people defend it strongly. But once we place ourselves in the shoes of the average white English person we respond angrily. *Again, I'm not suggesting all ethnic people feel this way, I'm simply raising a point of view that I haven't seen discussed here before- alright fella*
Is it truly a problem, can anything even be done about it (I don't think it can at all and don't see why it should be- I was just surprised by their responses) and are white people just forced into silence and remaining PC?
P.S. I love all my Asian people lol don't get offended by this, you're all lovely and I absolutely love Jalebi, Pantua etc. PC.
This is where the contradiction lies. We are all so pleased about mass immigration (children of immigrants such as myself), and all ethnic people defend it strongly. But once we place ourselves in the shoes of the average white English person we respond angrily. *Again, I'm not suggesting all ethnic people feel this way, I'm simply raising a point of view that I haven't seen discussed here before- alright fella*
Is it truly a problem, can anything even be done about it (I don't think it can at all and don't see why it should be- I was just surprised by their responses) and are white people just forced into silence and remaining PC?
P.S. I love all my Asian people lol don't get offended by this, you're all lovely and I absolutely love Jalebi, Pantua etc. PC.
They are irrational and hypocritical in that case.
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