Are Benefit Scroungers to blame for the state of the UK economy?

Governments inability to manage its own money is also a reason, its fine if you borrow money to fund infrastructure projects or education which should give you a greater return in the future, but to borrow money for benefits, healthcare and just to pay the damn interest on the existing debt is longer term financial suicide for short term gains. The NHS has the capability (and even more) to treat all its patients on time its just that it is damn inefficient (something I actually didn't believe in until I saw the scale of the inefficiency with my own eyes), the point of benefits is that the person/people living on them should be as uncomfortable as possible so they get out of benefits and get a job, just look at benefits street, more than half the characters we see smoke or/and drink on a regular basis, something which the tax payers money just shouldn't pay for. This is the same for almost all the developed countries in this world, people relying too much on their governments to do something for them when they can't be bothered to do things themselves.

Furthermore my hatred of politicians from all around the world stems from the fact that they go after votes or their own good rather than the good for their country, we always see politicians doing things for the short term (i.e. raising/decreasing income taxes on certain groups of people just before elections) rather than the long term. I don't know who exactly is to blame for this but my opinion is that the inability of the general public to see the benefits(edit: or consequences of certain decisions) in the future is probably one of them.

Before I get criticised for this I would like to tell everyone that my family probably belongs in the bottom quarter of household income levels, we believe in hard work rather than relying on the government to get things done for us and if everyone did the same then the problems we notice today would occur much less frequently than they do now.

The NHS is one of the most efficient healthcare systems in the western world when you look at health outcomes as compared to the proportion of funding relative to countries' GDP. In fact, we're on course for one of the most poorly funded healthcare systems in the G20, which ironically is where the NHS was in 1997 before labour's investment. Also, investment in health actually saves money in he longer term, as the increased productivity and reduced sick days caused by improving physical and mental health, never mind reduced social care and judicial costs leads to greater GDP and reduces expenditure in emergency care and other vital services.

Also, it never ceases to amaze me how many times people believe that you should motivate the rich by providing tax breaks and reducing regulation, whereas the poor are encouraged to work by giving them less. The fact is, benefits issues are often a proxy issue to employment opportunities; I imagine it didn't escape many people that we now have more people in poverty in work than retired, disabled or otherwise economically inactive. To encourage people into work, make work pay and provide opportunities. If people then turn those opportunities down when they offer a brighter, wealthier and healthier future, then punitive measures can be adopted, but as a last resort, not the first!

The NHS is one of the most efficient healthcare systems in the western world when you look at health outcomes as compared to the proportion of funding relative to countries' GDP. In fact, we're on course for one of the most poorly funded healthcare systems in the G20, which ironically is where the NHS was in 1997 before labour's investment. Also, investment in health actually saves money in he longer term, as the increased productivity and reduced sick days caused by improving physical and mental health, never mind reduced social care and judicial costs leads to greater GDP and reduces expenditure in emergency care and other vital services.

Also, it never ceases to amaze me how many times people believe that you should motivate the rich by providing tax breaks and reducing regulation, whereas the poor are encouraged to work by giving them less. The fact is, benefits issues are often a proxy issue to employment opportunities; I imagine it didn't escape many people that we now have more people in poverty in work than retired, disabled or otherwise economically inactive. To encourage people into work, make work pay and provide opportunities. If people then turn those opportunities down when they offer a brighter, wealthier and healthier future, then punitive measures can be adopted, but as a last resort, not the first!

You didn't notice the biggest tax cuts on pay during this Parliament were for the poor...

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Of course they are. Fvcking dole spongers. Drain on your money and mine.

Do you know total amount spent on working age welfare & child benefit is similar to the corporate welfare for business in terms of tax cuts and tax avoidance?

Yes, but corporations do something useful. Dole spongers sit on street corners and shoot heroin and sell their flesh.

In your opinion do 51%+ people in the following groups use heroin.

1. People born with their disabilities.
2. People who got their disability as result of a illness or accident.
3. Single mothers who became vulnerable since their partners left them.
4. Unemployed people because they where sacked from their jobs.
5. Orphans who have no where to live once they hit 18.
6. Working people who can only get 16 hours work a week.

Please tell me which groups are heroin users?

I did not say people on the dole are to blame. I said dole SPONGERS---that is, people who commit benefits fraud or who have come to the UK specifically seeking benefits or those who do not WISH to work---are to blame.

I have no reason to lie about the things I say. I am a rational economic liberal, and, unfortunately, all the arguments of the left stem not from rationality but from pure unadulterated emotion and victim complex.

You want a source about the high fertility rates of immigrants?
Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_demographics#Social_issues
And here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23618487
Only around 64% of births in 2005 in England and Wales were recorded as White British, you know, the original inhabitants of the country. It's probably down to around 50% by now.

Yes race is an issue and it will always be an issue in every country where different races are forced to co-exist, which inevitably leads to conflict.
Let's look at some past multicultural empires, the Roman empire, the Austro-Hungarian empire, the USSR, the Mongol Empire, the Macedonian Empire, Yugoslavia... etc.
They all ended up collapsing into civil wars once all the ethnic groups within them fought for supremacy or independence.

You can keep saying that the rich pay too little taxes but the heaviest tax burden is on the middle class. Middle class people in the UK and France pay 35-40% of their income in taxes. When poor scum call for higher taxes on the rich, it inevitably trickles down mainly onto the middle class because the rich can simply jet off to another country.

No more taxes, no more welfare, no more of my money feeding 12 Pakistani babies who will grow up screaming Allahu Ahkbar to the few remaining native Brits left on the island.

So tell me ....
Who are these dole spongers?
Who are these people who don't want to work?

Well, there's that family of Romanian Gypsies mentioned in the Daily Fail, and then there's half of Peckham.

And I think you'll find that not once have I said that the rich pay too little tax. I do believe they should pay more tax, but that's the first time I've said it on this forum - don't try and pretend I've said things to try and strengthen your argument. If you could be bothered to read the ONS report I linked you earlier, I think you'll find that it's not just the middle class who pay between 31% and 35% - almost every income decile in this country pays between that, including the rich. The poorest 10% paid the highest rate of 45%. So that blows your argument completely out of the water.

Nope, its the banks and the whole banking system. Bring back gold backed currency and you will see things improving.