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Has feminism become a joke?

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Reply 60
Original post by Markg125
I have been waiting so long to comment on this particular subject, I am just going to do it now. Let me explain (as a man) ,feminism is comprised of two groups:

Equality Feminist - These are the ones that get nearly NO media attention because they are uninteresting and completely non controversial. These include subjects such as Mary Woolstonecraft and others that threw themselves in front of horses to get the vote. This group makes up about 99% of feminist.

Radical feminism - This is the group that by far gets the biggest media attention. This is the group that puts forward the idea that men are inferior to women, and this group is the kind that most people have heard of because they are controversial and interesting. Because when you hear "Women have the right to (place subject here) and not men", It is far most interesting than, "Women should have the exact same rights as men". It is as simple as that. This group makes up about 1% of feminism

Unfortunately feminism is not the most interesting subject so people just look at contentious examples such as opening door or hitting women, and not actually focusing on the servitude that women lived under for decades in and before the 20th century.


I wouldn't disagree with anything there but in terms of the interestingness of feminism that all depends on how interested a person is in learning about stuff generally imo and obviously more women are likely to find it interesting than men.

It's like Christianity imo - if you walk around going "I'm a Christian everyone, deal with it!" it will put them off but you can adhere to the general equality principles in your life and not like disrespect towards women (or anyone) without it being a big deal in my opinion. You don't have to put on dungarees and stop wearing makeup! (although that's perfectly ok too! lol)

Who doesn't want equality and respect??

People seem to think Germaine Greer and Andrew Dworkin when they hear the word 'feminism' and while they had interesting stuff to say they, no one is saying they are speaking for all women or all feminists.

Germaine Greer is an intelligent woman and has written some interesting books

(I do secretly like Andrea Dworkin too for being so militant!)
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Reply 61
Feminism? No. I had very bad experiences. I don't want to talk about feminists anymore.. Some of them are here in my home! I could have no foods to eat if I'm against them.

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Feminism has *always* been a joke. You should campaign for equal rights, not for that solely of the female.
I don't think it has become a joke. When there is a group or movement or idea that seeks change in society, it often becomes divided on the grounds of how much it seeks to change, what is an acceptable method/way of seeking that change, and especially whether or not it is gradual or more sudden change.

Feminism as I see it seems to be divided into two broad streams- those who are seeking to improve the position of women in society (employment being the main focus) and those who are wanting to do so but go about it by being anti-men.
Original post by James222
What goes on in the 3rd world is none of your Businesses. Societies that struggle to provide 3 meals a day dont care about banning page 3 etc

Feminism is not about equality, but reducing men into weak feminised hairy women and attacking anything associated with men


Hahaha, Banning page 3

I am Nigerian British, so i do so what feel like i should help people of my heritage. Not sure if you are being sarcastic in the first paragraph or not :smile:
I guess it is the ones that get the most attention, you know"feminazis" that are ruining the image of feminist, which is what makes it somewhat of a joke
Original post by aeon439
it's a bad sign though as where will it end?

the ante will continually keep being upped until naked people (women)
in music videos is the norm

then having sex in music videos will be the norm - it's already happened in films

then the need to up it the ante again - simulated rape?

and what knock-on effect is this all having on impressionable minds, some of which will be disturbed enough to want to act it all out on a real person
against their will

I wish the repercussions of all this only happened to the type of people who say 'shut up stupid feminists' - this would be a lot better!


Ah, so we should be censoring risqué stuff then? Like in the Middle East, I guess? How's women's rights working out over there?

The correlation between the amount of flesh society is happy seeing in mainstream media and the emancipation of women is non-existent, or perhaps even inverse. Your post is pure hyperbole.
Reply 68
Original post by ClickItBack
Ah, so we should be censoring risqué stuff then? Like in the Middle East, I guess? How's women's rights working out over there?

The correlation between the amount of flesh society is happy seeing in mainstream media and the emancipation of women is non-existent, or perhaps even inverse. Your post is pure hyperbole.



How far does risque go though?

One person's risque is another person's illegal and people are continually pushing the boundaries as to what should be seen and found acceptable to watch

Where does it all end is my question?

Anything and everything being ok to be shown?

We aren't the Middle East so that's a daft comparison

We are the very opposite of the Middle East - we have little to no boundaries set and that's just as bad as the boundaries being too restrictive on peoples' freedom

Freedom to watch disgusting porn is hardly the same as women's freedom not to be covered up and allowed to act as free agents is it?

You are saying the only alternative to being responsible as regards what is shown is a draconian system like the Middle East when quite clearly it isn't
ie there's a middle way
Original post by Zürich
Yes.

Listen to a modern day feminist and 90% of the time you are essentially listening to the ramblings of a privileged girl from a £20k/year private school with a very highly developed victimhood mentality, and who wants to play revolution for a bit. It's got actually nothing to do with women as such.

Read some of the Guardian reports on 'Pussy Riot' from last year and you'll just cringe really. Not an ounce of common sense of life experience. Just a load of idiots sitting around coffee shops in Shoreditch talking pseudo-intellectual nonsense and trying to make a career out of that.


Original post by helwolf
I have nothing to say to most of this since it's all just blind generalisation except--

This is a stupid thing to say--99% of all rapists are men. There are abusive women but firstly there are much less and secondly the intent is different i.e. not because of "misandry" whereas many women are abused because of misogynistic ideas.

Feminism has become looked down upon for the same reason atheism and religion and basically every and all group of people is looked down upon--the most obnoxious speak the loudest and therefore are heard the most despite often being the minority.


The only reason 99 percent of rapists are men is a woman cannot legally rape a man
Original post by LightBlueSoldier
The only reason 99 percent of rapists are men is a woman cannot legally rape a man


How would a woman go about raping a man? You can't exactly force someone to get a boner :s-smilie:

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You're so right. In my opinion, there are some instances where women are treated unfairly but there's nowhere near as many as people act like. As a result, no one takes the actual issues seriously because of all this bs oversensitivity.
Original post by ennahaspatience
How are we sure? Men would be less inclined to report rape than a women. Of course, it is significantly more in men being rapists


Even when women rape men, it's not called 'rape' in legal term.

Common sense here, how did a girl rape a guy? Not only being physically inferior ( no offence, but this is true in h general, but also HOW can a girl really rape a guy? I mean really HOW? 'Rape' is normally defined as penetration or secretion of semen or some sort. So the poster above said 99% men raped girls was no surprise to me.
Reply 74
Original post by helwolf
There are abusive women but firstly there are much less and secondly the intent is different i.e. not because of "misandry" whereas many women are abused because of misogynistic ideas.
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You do realize that in the 20-30 age group, men are more likely to be victims of domestic violence than women?
Original post by Markg125
I have been waiting so long to comment on this particular subject, I am just going to do it now. Let me explain (as a man) ,feminism is comprised of two groups:

Equality Feminist - These are the ones that get nearly NO media attention because they are uninteresting and completely non controversial. These include subjects such as Mary Woolstonecraft and others that threw themselves in front of horses to get the vote. This group makes up about 99% of feminist.

Radical feminism - This is the group that by far gets the biggest media attention. This is the group that puts forward the idea that men are inferior to women, and this group is the kind that most people have heard of because they are controversial and interesting. Because when you hear "Women have the right to (place subject here) and not men", It is far most interesting than, "Women should have the exact same rights as men". It is as simple as that. This group makes up about 1% of feminism

Unfortunately feminism is not the most interesting subject so people just look at contentious examples such as opening door or hitting women, and not actually focusing on the servitude that women lived under for decades in and before the 20th century.


I fail to see how the way women were treated in the past is relevant to feminism today (and indeed I would contend that for much of the past it was easier being a woman in the west, not that it matters)
Reply 76
Original post by natninja
You do realize that in the 20-30 age group, men are more likely to be victims of domestic violence than women?


Link to your source for this information please
Original post by helwolf
By "rape" I meant "sexual assault" because there was no point in getting into the specifics of how the law defines rape. Semantics.

I think you need to look up the definition of semantics. Also, if you didn't mean rape then you are way way off. Somewhere between 10 and 60 percent of victims are male according to studies. An order of magnitude at least away from your claim. This is a common feminist tactic: inventing statistics.
Reply 78
Original post by majmuh24
How would a woman go about raping a man? You can't exactly force someone to get a boner :s-smilie:

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Ah I see, so if rape victims (female) feel any pleasure at all you don't think it's rape? Might wanna think a bit more before you put your foot in it. :rolleyes:

EDIT: You can arouse someone who doesn't want to sleep with you, either willingly on their part or not (physical stimulation). It doesn't change the fact of whether they've consented to sleep with you or not.
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Original post by helwolf
"inventing statistics" I don't know whether you noticed but I literally gave a source in the original post. An extremely valid source, at that. Nice try. Statistics show that 1 in 10 sexual assault victims are male but you fail to realise that if 99% of offenders are male and 10% of victims are male then that puts a margin of at least >90% of male victims are assaulted by males... Semantics? Meaning of words? Rape and sexual assault amount to pretty much the same thing?


you gave a source for the sex of legal rapists. Not exactly the same thing now that you've modified your claim.

Yeah rape and sexual assault are exactly the same aren't they *sarcasm*
So tell me why the government thinks women can only do one if they're 'pretty much the same thing'. Like I said, look up the definition of semantics.
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