Kim Jong UN warned by U.N. for 'Crimes against humanity'

Arthur Conan Doyle had evidence of fairies, too...


Anyway, gob off, this is about North Korea.

If only they had oil or any other sought after resource.

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Lets talk about Korea then. As I was saying, Kim Jong Un is a shining example of a great leader, and how a country and society should be.

of course it isnt - how much stuff gets made and shipped out of china, plus its on its way to becoming a super power. The UN doesnt like sending bullying letters to people who can actually fight back effectively.

North Korea is a nice easy little target.

But dont worry as soon as we find oil we will invade to "liberate the people"

*Insert typical comment stating how immoral the non-Communist state of North Korea is while lauding the benefits of "democracy" here*

Lets talk about Korea then. As I was saying, Kim Jong Un is a shining example of a great leader, and how a country and society should be.

Lets talk about Korea then. As I was saying, Kim Jong Un is a shining example of a great leader, and how a country and society should be.

of course it isnt - how much stuff gets made and shipped out of china, plus its on its way to becoming a super power. The UN doesnt like sending bullying letters to people who can actually fight back effectively.

North Korea is a nice easy little target.

But dont worry as soon as we find oil we will invade to "liberate the people"

If you hate democracy so much, I'll repeat again, how about moving to a non-democratic state?

I don't have the choice of moving to a truly democratic area as none exist. Representative democracy is an oligarchy in disguise. The Iron Law of Oligarchy comes to mind. I am critical of representative democracy, "democracy" as I called it above.

You know what I meant.

Go to N. Korea if you fancy Kim Jong Un so much. I'm sure he'll be glad to put you in a prison camp.


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Lets talk about Korea then. As I was saying, Kim Jong Un is a shining example of a great leader, and how a country and society should be.

I don't think you have a clue about what I've been saying. I'm critical of North Korea, of people's incorrect labels of its system (it is not Communist) and of our representative democracy which is really an oligarchy. Direct democracy is far more democratic than what we use in the west.

Back on topic, whilst we need to stop all the human rights abuse in North Korea, how can we stop it? If we use force, they have a considerable army, and possibly nuclear weapons, and sanctioning them just makes it worse for the population.

I sincerely feel that the 'nuclear weapons' that North Korea has are just ex-soviet bubblegum machines strapped to a couple of explosives.

Who said N Korea was communist it's under a dictatorship that's among the worst of its kind.

Utopia presently doesn't exist and as far as I know it never has and historically, communism and Marxism fails miserably in every implementation ever conceived.

Also, If you think I don't know anything about communism look at where I live and tell me how many people you think I've spoken with who have experienced how awful it is first hand. Communism is fine in concept and not great at all in implementation.


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Thank you for confirming that you know nothing about Communism. No one has experienced the implementation of communism, only the warped and horribly distorted attempts at transitioning to a communist society. Leninism, Marxist-Leninism, Trotskyism, Stalinism or anything else which branched off of Lenin's re-conceptualisation of Marx's thinking was guaranteed to fail almost immediately after the 1917 February revolution in Russia, seeing as the October Revolution was carried out without the people of Russia in mind, organised around an authoritarian and centralised means of control which threw out everything that was fought for in the February Revolution.

Additionally your statement that Marxism has failed in implementing such and such is nonsense because Marxism does not exist to implement but to analyse and critique, merely recommending social change via a different set of ideas, namely ideologies under the category of Communism (the movement). It is a socio-economic and political world view, not a revolutionary socialist movement.

Furthermore, Utopias cannot exist as they are imaginary, idealised and perfect goals. A communist society on the other hand, while being purely theoretical and based on certain historical modes of living, acts as a goal that is possibly obtainable given the right circumstances. Utopias cannot exist as the right circumstances are impossible for them, as they require perfection. Good luck finding perfection in a world that has an infinite number of spanners to throw in the works.

Time for democracy. Also, China needs democracy. China's actually horrendously bad when it comes to human rights but it's not as publicised.

No, you're wrong. Castro is a communist and Therefore Cuba has been under a communist regime. I full we'll realize what utopia is. The whole point of me mentioning it was you seem to think it is possible to implement and it only can be in some fantasy land you have in your head. Communism puts far too much power in the hands of far too few along with stunting monetary growth or any kind of economic prosperity. It's you who seems to think it can. I'm bored with this at this point and would like to return to the original topic.

Utopias cannot exist as they are imaginary, idealised and perfect goals.