[TheWolf]

(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
I go to a fully selective grammar - they are state schools.

grammar schools = state schools?

[LH]

(Original post by TheWolf)
grammar schools = state schools?

Yes.

[Nima]

(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
Yes.

OK.

It's clear that I got my terminology wrong, I assumed that state schools were just comprehensive schools.

But nevertheless, grammar schools are clearly not the same as comprehensive schools - i.e.) they are much more posh, better facilities, teaching etc.

My terminology was wrong.

[happysunshine]

(Original post by bono)
OK.

It's clear that I got my terminology wrong, I assumed that state schools were just comprehensive schools.

But nevertheless, grammar schools are clearly not the same as comprehensive schools - i.e.) they are much more posh, better facilities, teaching etc.

My terminology was wrong.

Indeed. I like it the way universities pretend they are taking a greater number of poorer students because they use the %State, when in reality most of these people are quite wealthy grammar school kids.

[Nima]

(Original post by happysunshine)
Indeed. I like it the way universities pretend they are taking a greater number of poorer students because they use the %State, when in reality most of these people are quite wealthy grammar school kids.

HAHA, so all the time this "50% of state schoolers" is actually mainly posh grammar school people?! haha, this is funny.... (OXBRIDGE)

I always thought that 50% figure was bog standard comprehensive schools, as I thought state schools only meant comprehensives. haha, what a con.

"we accept state schoolers with open arms" - yes, the rich ones who go to grammar schools.

[happysunshine]

(Original post by bono)
HAHA, so all the time this "50% of state schoolers" is actually mainly posh grammar school people?! haha, this is funny.... (OXBRIDGE)

I always thought that 50% figure was bog standard comprehensive schools, as I thought state schools only meant comprehensives. haha, what a con.

"we accept state schoolers with open arms" - yes, the rich ones who go to grammar schools.

Yup, that's exactly it. They think that we are of the same parental income etc. when that isn't the case at all.

I do think they should have %Comp. %Grammar %Independent but at the good universities the %Comp will probably be low and make them look class selective rather than selecting the brightest which obviously more will go to the independents and the grammars.

[Nima]

(Original post by happysunshine)
Yup, that's exactly it. They think that we are of the same parental income etc. when that isn't the case at all.

I do think they should have %Comp. %Grammar %Independent but at the good universities the %Comp will probably be low and make them look class selective rather than selecting the brightest which obviously more will go to the independents and the grammars.

I would love to know the % of comprehensive school kids who go to oxbridge.

[happysunshine]

(Original post by bono)
I would love to know the % of comprehensive school kids who go to oxbridge.

Me too. I bet it's very low and I can guarentee there wont be any information. Maybe they should do their little tables by parental income.

[Nima]

(Original post by happysunshine)
Me too. I bet it's very low and I can guarentee there wont be any information. Maybe they should do their little tables by parental income.

Yes, it's just all fiddled statistics.

I would also like to know the % of students from comprehensive students whose parents earn under 30k a year - After all, it shouldn't matter, because it's about potential, and theres that lovely access scheme as well.

[LH]

(Original post by bono)
OK.

It's clear that I got my terminology wrong, I assumed that state schools were just comprehensive schools.

But nevertheless, grammar schools are clearly not the same as comprehensive schools - i.e.) they are much more posh, better facilities, teaching etc.

My terminology was wrong.

Why would grammars be posh? Mine isn't

We have worse facilities than most comps due to the fact that the present government are very anti-selection.

[Nima]

(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
Why would grammars be posh? Mine isn't

We have worse facilities than most comps due to the fact that the present government are very anti-selection.

The majority are far superior to comprehensives. No way can a grammar school can be seen in the same light as a bog standard comprehensive, generally.

[happysunshine]

(Original post by bono)
The majority are far superior to comprehensives. No way can a grammar school can be seen in the same light as a bog standard comprehensive, generally.

And it's not just facilities, it's better teaching due to peers being more willing to learn and I have no evidence but teachers more willing to teach.

[Nima]

(Original post by happysunshine)
And it's not just facilities, it's better teaching due to peers being more willing to learn and I have no evidence but teachers more willing to teach.

Exactly.

And to huntroyde: Many grammar schools have kids who pay to go to that school. And this is many.

[LH]

(Original post by bono)
The majority are far superior to comprehensives. No way can a grammar school can be seen in the same light as a bog standard comprehensive, generally.

The standards are better, but not the facilities, unless a grammar built extra facilities just before 1997.

[LH]

(Original post by bono)
Exactly.

And to huntroyde: Many grammar schools have kids who pay to go to that school. And this is many.

No, at a grammar no one pays to go. Absolutely no one.

[Nima]

(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
The standards are better, but not the facilities, unless a grammar built extra facilities just before 1997.

I can guarantee you that the average grammar school will have:

a.) better quality teaching
b.) better facilities
c.) some students whose parents pay for them to go to that school.

Than an an average comprehensive school.

[Nima]

(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
No, at a grammar no one pays to go. Absolutely no one.

So why does 2776 go to Leeds Grammar school, where some students pay to go to that school?

And why is it that when I lived in another area, the grammar school there had students who paid.

And why is it on deinra's profile she put "fully selective grammar school", which clearly implies that some are not full selective. i.e.) some cough up the dosh.

[LH]

(Original post by bono)
So why does 2776 go to Leeds Grammar school, where some students pay to go to that school?

And why is it that when I lived in another area, the grammar school there had students who paid.

And why is it on deinra's profile she put "fully selective grammar school", which clearly implies that some are not full selective. i.e.) some cough up the dosh.

Some private schools have the word grammar in their title but are not grammar schools, ie. they are not state schools. You are confusing the 164 true grammar schools and private schools which have the word grammar in their name.

[LH]

(Original post by bono)
I can guarantee you that the average grammar school will have:

a.) better quality teaching
b.) better facilities
c.) some students whose parents pay for them to go to that school.

Than an an average comprehensive school.

a) is probably right, b) right in some cases possibly, c) is completely false.

[Nima]

(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
a) is probably right, b) right in some cases possibly, c) is completely false.

What the hell?

Some private schools have "grammar" in their name?!

Aaaargh, confusion!!!