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Orange sending debt collectors. Help?

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Original post by Reue
My understanding of the process wasn't that the debt is sold.. but that you effectivly take out a new mortgage to pay off the original one in full. It's not the case of the debt being sold but of you borrowing from one bank to pay off another.


Debt can be sold.

http://www.clearpointcreditcounselingsolutions.org/resource-center/articles-and-tips/dealing-with-debt/debt-buyers-debt-collection-agencies/#The Debt Buying Process
http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/technical_notes/debtcollecting-note.html#11
Original post by Reue
My understanding of the process wasn't that the debt is sold.. but that you effectivly take out a new mortgage to pay off the original one in full. It's not the case of the debt being sold but of you borrowing from one bank to pay off another.


I'm not sure what happens technically behind the scenes, but the debtor only perceives that the debt has moved from one creditor to another. It's definitely the case that debts can be sold, this is a common practise throughout the credit industry, for example, credit card companies routinely sell on defaulters to other companies.
Reply 23
Original post by Fullofsurprises
I'm not sure what happens technically behind the scenes, but the debtor only perceives that the debt has moved from one creditor to another. It's definitely the case that debts can be sold, this is a common practise throughout the credit industry, for example, credit card companies routinely sell on defaulters to other companies.


I think it is fundamentally different with a mortgage switch as the debtor initiates the action and needs to apply to the new lender and fulfill their lending criteria.
Original post by Reue
I think it is fundamentally different with a mortgage switch as the debtor initiates the action and needs to apply to the new lender and fulfill their lending criteria.


Without wishing to go too far away from OP's thread, which is about a simple consumer credit debt, I think it's clear that mortgage debts can be happily transferred without reference to the lending criteria or debtor - this is what happens on a big scale when mortgage lenders get into trouble. Northern Rock, for example, transferred £16bn worth of mortgages to Virgin Money when it was broken up - there was no individual checking process, it was just a bulk action.
http://moneyfacts.co.uk/news/banking/northern-rock-sale-what-it-means-for-you/

There are other cases like this, for example GMAC mortgages were transferred wholesale to Bradford & Bingley, Halifax to Lloyds, etc.

EDIT
Here's a more recent example - the government are selling slices of Northern Rock's 'bad' mortgage book, in this case, 27,000 customers of Northern Rock are being sold to JP Morgan. It's pretty ironic that JPM are in turn 'slicing' these into investment vehicles, something previously identified as a major cause of the banking crisis.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/11160737/Government-sells-2.7bn-of-bad-bank-mortgages-to-JP-Morgan.html
(edited 9 years ago)

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