Are you a class traitor?

Now we've all heard of race traitors and religious traitors but are you a class traitor? Do you vote and support interests which are detrimental to yourself and your family/friends you normally associate with? For example are you wealthy person that votes for poor people interests? Or are you poor and vote for wealthy man interests? If you are why are you this way?

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Reply 1

James222

Your assuming its in the interest of wealthy people to have a poor unhealthy uneducated neighbours

Or a poor person who believes the cutting taxes for corporations will boost the economy and his prospects

Race traitors tend to be more clear cut and focus on promoting a particular narrative so they can play the savior or get more media attention

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Reply 2

cole-slaw

Original post by crayz

It is in everyone's interest to vote for a party that will enact liberal, socially progressive policies that will create an economically mobile meritocracy within a stable, productively efficient mixed economy, its just that some people (looking at you, UKIP and tory voters) are too stupid to realise it.

Reply 3

Wade-

Original post by cole-slaw

Well firstly it's not in everyone's interest to create the society you said, secondly which political party do you think would create such a society?

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Reply 4

cole-slaw

Original post by Wade-

Well firstly it's not in everyone's interest to create the society you said, secondly which political party do you think would create such a society?

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My personal political party, vote coleslaw.

More importantly, why would it not be in everyone's interest to create a fair, free and efficient society and economy, other than criminals, fraudsters and sociopathic puritans?

Reply 5

Wade-

Original post by cole-slaw

Right so you accept there is no political party that would create a society like that so voting Tory is no worse than voting labour.

Just as an example it wouldn't be in the interest of a lot of upper class people to have social mobility or a meritocracy

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Reply 6

cole-slaw

Original post by Wade-

Sure it would, it would mean that people got the jobs for which they were most suited, which would increase the efficiency of the economy as a whole; something the rich would benefit from as much as anyone else.

Reply 7

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Original post by cole-slaw

But think about what Wade's saying. Many rich people do not like or actively promote mobility because they prefer being entrenched in their positions of power. They don't want those from a 'lower class' rising up and able to compete with them. They are deluded enough to think that they were born to rule. Many rich people have inherited their wealth and merely make employ capital and labour to increase it. These parasites would, without a doubt, be the losers in a meritocracy.

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Reply 8

cole-slaw

Original post by Abstraction

But think about what Wade's saying. Many rich people do not like or actively promote mobility because they prefer being entrenched in their positions of power. They don't want those from a 'lower class' rising up and able to compete with them. Many rich people have inherited their wealth and merely make money by employing capital and labour to increase it. These parasites would, without a doubt, be the losers in a meritocracy.

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Ok yes, there probably are some people, who make up less than 0.1% of the population, who benefit from socially regressive corporatist policies. Assuming these people have absolutely no morality and only vote out of self interest, these are the people who logically should be voting conservative.

But the entire point of democracy is that the vast majority of the population should be able to outvote these selfish bastards by about 10,000 to 1. Unfortunately, rich media barons control the political agenda, and many people are catastrophically stupid.

Reply 9

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Original post by Algorithm69

Yep I'm definitely the antithesis of the typical working-class pleb who wants everything handed to them on a platter. If I made my political views known in my local I'd probably get glassed.

Interesting. Of what persuasion are you then? Neoliberalism? The very antithesis of liberty whose ultimate goal is to make life a commodity itself?

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Reply 10

Wade-

Original post by cole-slaw

But then the rich people lose out because some of the poor kids are smarter than they are meaning job centre plus for little victor

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Reply 11

El Salvador

No I don't think I am.

Reply 12

Ripper-Roo

I don't really identify with a class, but based on my parents occupation I'd say we're middle (even though it's questionable because of some factors, like family background is more working class). However I really dislike typical middle class people, I find them boring and pretentious. I don't think this makes me a class traitor though. People only say they are sell outs to their class if they support other groups which put them at a disadvantage... like supporting the Conservatives when a few look down on working class people (above, calling them 'plebs' etc).

Reply 13

Hal.E.Lujah

Long ago I used to believe that everyone should have the right to vote, until a girl I was with told me she voted for 'Nick Clegg' because 'He was the best looking' (No, she wasn't his constituent).

At that moment I had a shining realisation, that no, everyone shouldn't be able to vote. Voting choices aren't made on policy they're made on emotional perceptions at worst and at best strategically voting 'against'. Voting is much less about self interest and more often about emotive media frenzied articles (Looking at UKIP obviously).

We have a two party system, and both of those parties are extremely central with only vague and seemingly random branches out to the left or right. Worse still, we have reactionary politics - people respond to current affairs (usually newspapers decide what this is) and focus entirely on their term rather than any long term strategy in almost all terms since 76.

So whilst it's all well and good to discuss class traitors, to be perfectly frank that's more of a topical analysis of the true dichotomous nature of our political infrastructure.

Reply 14

DaveSmith99

I'm in a bit of a weird position where half of my family is quite well off and middle class and the other half has never had two pennies to rub together.

Reply 15

SocialistIC

Original post by crayz

I'm middle class and a socialist so I suppose, in a way, I am a class traitor. I'm not like some people who are ashamed of being middle class but I understand that I am in a good position because of luck and I understand that others aren't as lucky as me and I see the unfairness in that.

Reply 16

pane123

I am very selfish and will vote for whatever suits me. Selfishness is almost universally regarded as a negative trait, but I don't see it that way.

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Reply 17

Abstraction

Original post by Algorithm69

Skimmed Das Kapital yesterday and instantly became a Marxist did you?

What a stupid reply. Disagreeing with free markets does not automatically make one a Marxist. So symptomatic of you close-minded free marketeers, you never even bother to question your system when it is so obviously destructive to us. Its either 100% you or 100% Marx. I've never read Das Kapital, but I believe there is some kind of middle-ground.

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