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Nhs!!! Would you pay £10 towards nhs

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Original post by Rascacielos
I would pay, although I don't see why people who don't work shouldn't too (assuming they're on benefits). I think £10 per person per month would have a sizeable impact on the NHS, and it's not huge expenditure for me. My health is important to me.


When you're on £56.80 a week (JSA) £10 a month is definitely a huge amount.

Original post by the bear
i think that people who refrain from using the NHS should be paid £10 a month. discuss.


So those that are fortunate enough to not be ill should be PAID because they are privileged.
Original post by SmallTownGirl
When you're on £56.80 a week (JSA) £10 a month is definitely a huge amount.


Alright then certain benefits, e.g. long term ones.
Reply 42
I don't have any use of it to warrant wanting to pay more. A distant promise of a specialist in six months isn't really useful to me and I still have to go private anyway. Plus I can't afford what they charge so have to go to eastern Europe or something. So I'm not exactly happy about nhs.

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I found out that I pay about £8 a week in national insurance.
So yeah, I'll pay £10 a month for the NHS, but I expect some of my national insurance back. Say, £2.50 a week? Sounds reasonable.
Reply 44
Original post by SilverstarDJ
So if someone's face got burned off they shouldn't be offered re constructive surgery?

As for obesity surgery, it will cost the NHS more in the long run to treat medical conditions associated with obesity then surgery itself. It's already used as a last resort and not handed on a plate.

By pre-screen do you mean assess people BEFORE they went to nurse led triage? If so, who would screen these individuals? What about tackling the root problem in that GP services are being cut and some people find it very difficult to actually get a GP appointment? At my local GPs you need to physically go in to see them at 8.00 as all the appointments are gone by the time the lines open at 8.30....


I think you know what i mean re cosmetic surgery. Clearly we must differentiate between those who suffer terrible injury such as you describe and others such as for example;

1)Those who want tattoo removal

2)Breast enlargement
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2364692/Josie-Cunningham-5-000-breast-implants-NHS-wants-YOU-pay-remove-them.html

3)Designer Vaginas http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14627659

4)Tummy tucks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10540553/8000-people-get-tummy-tucks-on-NHS.html

Obesity surgery...People dont get fat overnight. They need to take control of their own diet and their own issues seeking help where it is available. If they become grossly obese and die well thats just tough.

Triage...Needs to be toughened up and staff need to be given powers to refer attendees to other services.The difficulty is fear of not treating and subsequent litigation. That is for HM Government to sort out. I attended A&E last year with a friend who had slipped on a wet/leaf strewn street and had clearly broken her wrist. A&E was full of people in no apparent distress,grazing on snacks,effing and blinding because they hadnt been seen immediately etc. Luckily staff identified us as a case of real substance and ushered us in and gave excellent treatment.

GP..i think its down to the surgery. I very rarely visit my GP and when i go,its absolutely necessary. I have no difficulties whatsoever getting an appt which suits. They also operate a 3 strikes and your out policy for non attendees at appts. This is in a busy urban area of Manchester and it all works just great and i get great service from my GP.
Original post by Limpopo
I think you know what i mean re cosmetic surgery. Clearly we must differentiate between those who suffer terrible injury such as you describe and others such as for example;

1)Those who want tattoo removal

2)Breast enlargement
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2364692/Josie-Cunningham-5-000-breast-implants-NHS-wants-YOU-pay-remove-them.html

3)Designer Vaginas http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14627659

4)Tummy tucks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10540553/8000-people-get-tummy-tucks-on-NHS.html

Obesity surgery...People dont get fat overnight. They need to take control of their own diet and their own issues seeking help where it is available. If they become grossly obese and die well thats just tough.

Triage...Needs to be toughened up and staff need to be given powers to refer attendees to other services.The difficulty is fear of not treating and subsequent litigation. That is for HM Government to sort out. I attended A&E last year with a friend who had slipped on a wet/leaf strewn street and had clearly broken her wrist. A&E was full of people in no apparent distress,grazing on snacks,effing and blinding because they hadnt been seen immediately etc. Luckily staff identified us as a case of real substance and ushered us in and gave excellent treatment.

GP..i think its down to the surgery. I very rarely visit my GP and when i go,its absolutely necessary. I have no difficulties whatsoever getting an appt which suits. They also operate a 3 strikes and your out policy for non attendees at appts. This is in a busy urban area of Manchester and it all works just great and i get great service from my GP.


I've been to A&E three times. The first I'd taken a overdose and would have died if I'd not been treated. Until the pain kicked in about four hours in I was laughing and joking with me friend. I may not have looked like I needed to be there but I definitely did. You can't judge people's health by their actions.

All three times it took me over 6 hours to be seen by a mental health specialist and the first time it was over 36 hours. That's a disgusting way to treat people in crisis.
Reply 46
Original post by SmallTownGirl
When you're on £56.80 a week (JSA) £10 a month is definitely a huge amount.



So those that are fortunate enough to not be ill should be PAID because they are privileged.


it would leave the NHS resources for people with genuine illnesses. The £10 would help to motivate people to live healthy lives. Obese smokers and cake addicts would be encouraged to cease their ridiculous activities.
Reply 47
Original post by SmallTownGirl
I've been to A&E three times. The first I'd taken a overdose and would have died if I'd not been treated. Until the pain kicked in about four hours in I was laughing and joking with me friend. I may not have looked like I needed to be there but I definitely did. You can't judge people's health by their actions.

All three times it took me over 6 hours to be seen by a mental health specialist and the first time it was over 36 hours. That's a disgusting way to treat people in crisis.

I'm sorry to read that you were in such a state that you decided to OD. Its true that mental health issues have a stigma and can sometimes be not well recognised or treated within the NHS. I suspect there may be some A&E staff/clinicians who take the view that..well you did it,you suffer. The key of course is to try and identify and deal with the issues leading up to such a crisis.

I'm assuming of course that your OD was intentional? Maybe it wasnt?


Another thing id tighten up on the NHS is drunkenness. I would levy a charge on those turning up drunk.
Original post by the bear
it would leave the NHS resources for people with genuine illnesses. The £10 would help to motivate people to live healthy lives. Obese smokers and cake addicts would be encouraged to cease their ridiculous activities.


What about all the many people who have no choice over their health? And dissuading people from seeing their GP when they're worried about something creates more costs when a little thing turns into a big thing.
Original post by Limpopo
Another thing id tighten up on the NHS is drunkenness. I would levy a charge on those turning up drunk.


Define drunkenness.

I broke a toe after one drink, someone else dropped something on it. I went to A&E, should I have been charged?
A friend of mine severely injured his knee when he stood on a bottle in a night club and went over. He was pretty drunk, but his drunkenness had nothing to do with why he fell, it was the plastic bottle that someone had thrown on the floor. Should he have been charged?
Someone else I know stood on broken glass in a pair of ballet pumps on her way back from the pub, has to go to A&E to have it removed, she'd had a few but they had nothing to do with her standing in broken glass (not very well lit area), should she have been charged?
What about that girl in Lancaster who ended up having most if not all of her stomach removed when she drank a cocktail before letting the liquid nitrogen evaporate off, there was alcohol in the cocktail and I'm assuming it wasn't her first of the night. Should she have been charged?
Reply 50
Original post by SmallTownGirl
What about all the many people who have no choice over their health? And dissuading people from seeing their GP when they're worried about something creates more costs when a little thing turns into a big thing.


People with genuine health problems will benefit because

scarce NHS resources will be freed up for them.

The best part is that people will be encouraged directly to take care of their health; just as motorists drive more carefully if they wish to keep their NCB.
Original post by the bear
People with genuine health problems will benefit because

scarce NHS resources will be freed up for them.

The best part is that people will be encouraged directly to take care of their health; just as motorists drive more carefully if they wish to keep their NCB.


No. You're wrong. People will put off going to check out minor problems that can often be treated easier and cheaper at the beginning rather than waiting for things to get serious. Cancer (for example) can start as something tiny and if you don't get it treated early enough can kill.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure GPs and A&E aren't the most expensive parts of the NHS.
Reply 52
Original post by SmallTownGirl
No. You're wrong. People will put off going to check out minor problems that can often be treated easier and cheaper at the beginning rather than waiting for things to get serious. Cancer (for example) can start as something tiny and if you don't get it treated early enough can kill.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure GPs and A&E aren't the most expensive parts of the NHS.


No you are wrong. People would use their pharmacists a lot more; these highly skilled workers can spot many health problems in the early stages. You can just nip into the chemist's and wait a few minutes rather than up to 3 weeks for a GP appointment.
Reply 53
I think its just too much. I know health is priority but £10!!! I pay enough tax & NI which scrapes my heart everytime I see my payslip. I understand we need to pay tax/ni but I think it's a little bit too much and lately, I feel like not to work too hard anymore coz whats the point? its happens to be the more I work, the more I pay tax and get only like few pound extra and all that to tax & ni. why this tax so expensive? so frustrated!!
Reply 54
Original post by the bear
People with genuine health problems will benefit because

scarce NHS resources will be freed up for them.

The best part is that people will be encouraged directly to take care of their health; just as motorists drive more carefully if they wish to keep their NCB.

I suspect that what will really happen is that the chavs and the underclass will continue to abuse the system because they will be excluded from charge whilst the low/average paid person will have to suffer and do without whilst paying taxes so that the chavs can continue to enjoy the servvice free of charge. I guess its a bit like that now. Prescription £7.60 per item and going up..underclass..free
I think the whole 'boob jobs on the nhs' thing is largely misunderstood. Women who do recieve boobs jobs will a lot of the time be getting them because of very real psychological problems caused by image issues, (enlargement) back pain and other pain (reductions) and following botched surgery or mastectomies (reconstruction).

In answer to your question, I Believe that's what taxes are for. There needs to better reinforcement and less loopholes for large companies or wealthy individuals to help with this.
Original post by Limpopo


Obesity surgery...People dont get fat overnight. They need to take control of their own diet and their own issues seeking help where it is available. If they become grossly obese and die well thats just tough.



You don't die quickly from obesity. You die very very slowly and suffer lots of chronic conditions as a result - chronic conditions are usually more expensive to treat then surgery so if you do a cost-benefit it may be worth doing such surgery as a last resort where dieting etc. has failed.

Indeed we need more early intervention and public education alongside this.


Triage...Needs to be toughened up and staff need to be given powers to refer attendees to other services.The difficulty is fear of not treating and subsequent litigation. That is for HM Government to sort out. I attended A&E last year with a friend who had slipped on a wet/leaf strewn street and had clearly broken her wrist. A&E was full of people in no apparent distress,grazing on snacks,effing and blinding because they hadnt been seen immediately etc. Luckily staff identified us as a case of real substance and ushered us in and gave excellent treatment.


I think nurses can do an excellent job of prioritising patients, but they don't have X-ray eyes and cannot use diagnostic tools etc. to diagnose the illness and how serious it is. You can't always tell if someone is ill by looking at them from the outside and some of these people may well have been friends or family who were there for support.




GP..i think its down to the surgery. I very rarely visit my GP and when i go,its absolutely necessary. I have no difficulties whatsoever getting an appt which suits. They also operate a 3 strikes and your out policy for non attendees at appts. This is in a busy urban area of Manchester and it all works just great and i get great service from my GP.

Yes, there is a lot of variation in GP services - it's very much a postcode lottery.
If it improves the chances of me getting a doctors appointment when needed I suppose I would yes
Not per month no, we already pay in taxes.

I wouldn't be totally against a GP fee, say £5.

Though I'd be more in support of fining those who go to A&E when there is obviously no need, and those who are there due to severe drunkenness. I'm not saying don't help them, but after seeing all those teenagers so drunk they're practically paralytic on the street around clubs and the ambulance service having to deal with them (not easy, especially if they end up becoming aggressive) on a documentary, then the time and bed they take up in hospital, I think they should be fined. £50 seems reasonable. I bet it would make a big difference as the program discussed how big an issue of ambulances/hospitals having to deal with drunks off the street is.
Reply 59
My doctor disagrees with this I have two he said hair Symbian they are healthy currently however if hairs stop growing that is one of the first indicators to a suspicious mole so they do turn cancerous thanks though and that's from two gps
Original post by redferry
Actually moles which have hair growing out of them never become cancerous.

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