Holocaust: did 6 million really die?

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Original post by yo radical one

This is literally what was in the link he PM'ed me

What I PM'd you was backup up by official documents, photographs, testimonies, video evidence.

You cannot contest these facts can you?

You are in denial of them so you contest the outcome alone while of ignoring the hard evidence which is what your confirmation seems to force you to do.

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OP

Original post by yo radical one

Yeah I know the Balfour declaration happened, but

Yea I know but... Everything will be explained away, it's only this, it's only that, it's no different to this or that...

Anything to explain away and maintain the confirmation bias. Wall Street sponsorship of Leon Trotsky... It's only this.... Drones in the United States.... It's only that ..... Middle East war fit ups.... It's only..... Secret society leaked documents.... Its only.....

The meeting at Jekyll Island... It's only.... The Benjamin Franklin 1961 speech... It's only ..... The Syrian fit up..... It's only . Hitler's finances ... It's only ......

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Original post by Telnet

But shouldn't the term Holocaust be reserved for Allied crimes like Soviet Russia's 30 to 100 million killed in the Gulag or those on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed by Nuclear bomb due to the high number killed in such a short space of time.

Why is the worst of the worst killing known as the Holocaust reserved for something which no one can really prove and people spaz out and cut off people's freedom of speech if they manage to discredit the "holocaust theories". For example David Cole or Fred Leuchter were treated as enemy combatants for suggesting that there was no gas chambers in Germany for humans? This is what I don't understand. Why the removal of freedom of speech through censorship but only in this area?

No one can really prove? You obviously have no historical or general education then...? And you are really helping your argument with technical terms such as 'spaz'. Well done! :gthumb:

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Original post by Telnet

Yea I know but... Everything will be explained away, it's only this, it's only that, it's no different to this or that...

Anything to explain away and maintain the confirmation bias. Wall Street sponsorship of Leon Trotsky... It's only this.... Drones in the United States.... It's only that ..... Middle East war fit ups.... It's only..... Secret society leaked documents.... Its only.....

The meeting at Jekyll Island... It's only.... The Benjamin Franklin 1961 speech... It's only ..... The Syrian fit up..... It's only . Hitler's finances ... It's only ......

can you pm me that link

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OP

Original post by demx9

can you pm me that link

Sent

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Original post by Joanna9

No one can really prove? You obviously have no historical or general education then...? And you are really helping your argument with technical terms such as 'spaz'. Well done! :gthumb:

Please see PM then comment.

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The_Dragonborn

Original post by Telnet

Yes but they also said that Iran has been building a nuke for the last few decades and that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and Syrian rebels had gassed people which turned out to be untrue. Why do you take what they say at face value.

While I believe the Holocaust genuinely occurred and a ****load of innocent people died for nothing, there is some truth in what you have just said.

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I'm sorry, but please DO NOT pm me, with links to quite possibly the most questionable and unprofessional websites I have ever come across. The fact that the site is run by an anonymous source is the biggest issue. The fact that it looks like a site put together by a sweaty little neo-nazi in his mothers basement is another. Why would Lithuanians such as Petras Zelionka, and Germans such as Oskar Groening, neither of which reside in the US or the UK, give such detailed accounts of their participation in the Holocaust? I would love to know what your historical education or training is, as your arguments are full of holes and completely weak. If your only evidence is this website then you need to re-evaluate your way of thinking, for every 1 person you have saying that the Holocaust did not happen, I have 100 people giving accounts of their actions before, during and after. As does anyone who has a basic knowledge of history in the last 120years

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Original post by Joanna9

I'm sorry, but please DO NOT pm me, with links to quite possibly the most questionable and unprofessional websites I have ever come across. The fact that the site is run by an anonymous source is the biggest issue. The fact that it looks like a site put together by a sweaty little neo-nazi in his mothers basement is another. Why would Lithuanians such as Petras Zelionka, and Germans such as Oskar Groening, neither of which reside in the US or the UK, give such detailed accounts of their participation in the Holocaust? I would love to know what your historical education or training is, as your arguments are full of holes and completely weak. If your only evidence is this website then you need to re-evaluate your way of thinking, for every 1 person you have saying that the Holocaust did not happen, I have 100 people giving accounts of their actions before, during and after. As does anyone who has a basic knowledge of history in the last 120years

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Original post by demx9

And why is that?

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pakmon

Only in Auschwitz almost 4 milions people died. Today people don't speak about it mainly because of political correctness. As a result many people don't have sufficient knowledge to discuss this topic. Even Barack Obama said „polish death camp” which was deeply abusingfor Poles as almost 300 thousands Polish people died in Auschitz only. If someone denies in Holocaust today, the good idea is to go on a trip to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen or just to the library to do some study.

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Original post by Joanna9

The fact that the site is run by an anonymous source is the biggest issue.

The fact that its from an anonymous source should hardly be surprising seeing as people who openly state that a point of view are taken apart and attacked in the public media forum. For an official outfit to go on record saying this would be their own suicide due to the sentiments of public opinion. They would be labelled an neo-nazi outfit and the confirmation bias would continue (all you need is a label).....

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Original post by pakmon

Only in Auschwitz almost 4 milions people died. Today people don't speak about it mainly because of political correctness. As a result many people don't have sufficient knowledge to discuss this topic. Even Barack Obama said „polish death camp” which was deeply abusingfor Poles as almost 300 thousands Polish people died in Auschitz only. If someone denies in Holocaust today, the good idea is to go on a trip to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen or just to the library to do some study.

You are aware that Auschwitz has downgraded its official death count from 4 million to 1.1 million or are you not?

(yet this 6 million magic number does not seem to have moved....)

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Original post by pakmon

Only in Auschwitz almost 4 milions people died. Today people don't speak about it mainly because of political correctness. As a result many people don't have sufficient knowledge to discuss this topic. Even Barack Obama said „polish death camp” which was deeply abusingfor Poles as almost 300 thousands Polish people died in Auschitz only. If someone denies in Holocaust today, the good idea is to go on a trip to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen or just to the library to do some study.

At least 1.1 million prisoners died at Auschwitz, around 90 percent of them Jewish; approximately 1 in 6 Jews killed in the Holocaust died at the camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

its u that has to go to the library

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Original post by Telnet

The fact that its from an anonymous source should hardly be surprising seeing as people who openly state that a point of view are taken apart and attacked in the public media forum. For an official outfit to go on record saying this would be their own suicide due to the sentiments of public opinion. They would be labelled an neo-nazi outfit and the confirmation bias would continue......

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How can you use a site by an anonymous source as evidence? You don't know their background, their political motives or their education. Any one can create a website and claim anything they want. This is not absolute proof that the Holocaust did not occur. Nor is it even enough to cause reasonable doubt. That website could have been created by a credible historian, with evidence, statements and proof that the Holocaust didn't happen (which it did, the fact is that simple), or it could have been created by a neo-nazi 20something with nothing else going on his life. If you have such a controversial and quite honestly, offensive point to make, make it with hard evidence and intellect.

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