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Aren't you upset by the injustice of capitalism?

I mean let's be honest,none of us will become rich even if we study 10 hours a day.The real money goes to the employers who take advantage of the position of boss that capitalism gives them.We work for them,so it's obvious that in this selfish society they exploit us.They have Ferraris and million pound homes despite the fact that they don't work or study harder than us

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Better than the injustice of Communism. Most of those employees or bosses you are jealous of did have to work harder than you to get there - if not, they were just lucky. Don't blame it on a higher power or conjure conspiracies as an excuse.
The payoff though is apparently it's possible for us all to reach those heights.
Original post by KingKumar
Better than the injustice of Communism. Most of those employees or bosses you are jealous of did have to work harder than you to get there - if not, they were just lucky. Don't blame it on a higher power or conjure conspiracies as an excuse.

I don't think one can work more than all day.I don't see any conspiracy,it's just the division of society into classes.A boss will always earn more than someone who works for him regardless of their attitude
Original post by Really_now
The payoff though is apparently it's possible for us all to reach those heights.

No,only if we already have money we can be bosses.If all you have is 'just' work and study you can only be a worker for someone else.This means society puts you on a lower level than him
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Original post by RoyalMarine
No,only if we already have money we can be bosses.If all you have is 'just' work and study you can only be a worker for someone else.


Not necessarily, if you can think of brilliant idea with low start up costs you could start your own business.
Original post by Really_now
Not necessarily, if you can think of brilliant idea with low start up costs you could start your own business.

how low are those costs?And there are people with no talent who run businesses without brilliant ideas just because they already had the money to run them
A) 99.99% of business owners do not have a ferrari and etc. That is just BS.

B) They go bankrupt. They can lose everything. An employee does not have to.

C) You want to start a business? Go and take a loan out. That is how most businesses start.
Original post by DorianGrayism
A) 99.99% of business owners do not have a ferrari and etc. That is just BS.

B) They go bankrupt. They can lose everything. An employee does not have to.

C) You want to start a business? Go and take a loan out. That is how most businesses start.

How can a poor person have a high loan?
Original post by RoyalMarine
How can a poor person have a high loan?


By draughting a viable and feasible business plan that gets accepted by the bank. Its the same way my fathers business started.
Original post by Mickey O'Neil
By draughting a viable and feasible business plan that gets accepted by the bank. Its the same way my fathers business started.


Yes, back before they decimated the reserve requirement. Banks do not lend now.
Original post by scrotgrot
Yes, back before they decimated the reserve requirement. Banks do not lend now.


You are incorrect. Yes lending has fallen but to say they do not lend is absurd.

My brother in law has just got a loan for his business from a bank so it is possible.

Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25856276
Original post by DorianGrayism
A) 99.99% of business owners do not have a ferrari and etc. That is just BS.

B) They go bankrupt. They can lose everything. An employee does not have to.

C) You want to start a business? Go and take a loan out. That is how most businesses start.

A good businessman doesnt go bankrupt and loose everything. He buys a limited company and shelters his personal assets separately from his business assets. That way if the business goes tits up, he just walks away..and then next day re-opens under a different name and the slate is wiped clean(ish)
Original post by KingKumar
Better than the injustice of Communism. Most of those employees or bosses you are jealous of did have to work harder than you to get there - if not, they were just lucky. Don't blame it on a higher power or conjure conspiracies as an excuse.



You say not to blame things on a higher power, yet admit that it may just be because of luck. What is luck if not a higher force which an individual has no control over?

Original post by DorianGrayism

B) They go bankrupt. They can lose everything. An employee does not have to.


And what happens to the worker when the boss goes bankrupt? Yes, that's right, he also looses his livelihood but in his case it is not his fault, but the fault of his boss' poor decision making which lead the business to fail.

Original post by Limpopo
A good businessman doesnt go bankrupt and loose everything. He buys a limited company and shelters his personal assets separately from his business assets. That way if the business goes tits up, he just walks away..and then next day re-opens under a different name and the slate is wiped clean(ish)


...and the workers of the company are left with nothing...
Not into politics of envy.

I personally believe success is about determination. I've set up several businesses in my time and some didn't do as well as I had hoped for but perseverance is often the missing key to success.

I don't particular believe in luck and believe in self responsibility.

Capitalism and free markets are a good thing.
Yes i agree Mojo..if a business folds, the workers and its customers are often left with nothing. Thats the system and you know...many of those people who are wealthy through business get rich in that way. By hard noses cut and run rip off tax avoidance scamming.

At a lower level, why do you think there are so many fast food outlets on every high street? Aside from the lazy British penchant for eating crap..they are there because they are vehicle for fraud. All the money is cash in hand, many only trade for a short time. They dont pay their suppliers and they fiddle their gas and electric. Why do you think they only open in the evening? simples..they know thats when most of the trade happens and they know most of he authorities have finished work.

Many of the big national so called curry miles are built on fraud and worse,,the asian trade in Heroin.
Original post by Alfissti
Capitalism and free markets are a good thing.


Firstly the free market is not the preserve of Capitalism, plenty of theorists from across the political spectrum could be said to be in favor, Ricardian socialists and Proudhorn inspired anarchists come to mind.

Secondly, Capitalist governments like to say the favor free markets, but then pile hundreds of thousands of rules and regulations on them to prevent those markets from being free.


Original post by Limpopo
Yes i agree Mojo..if a business folds, the workers and its customers are often left with nothing. Thats the system and you know...many of those people who are wealthy through business get rich in that way. By hard noses cut and run rip off tax avoidance scamming.


Exactly, we live in a society where people get rich from the misery and suffering of others. Is that a situation we should be happy with? That as we produce more food, more people should starve? That as we better understand medicine, some should be excluded from those gains because they don't have the requisite bank balance?

I think that we can live in a world that is better than that, I want to live in a world where all peoples benefit from our advancements, not just select groups arbitrarily divided by skin colour or geographical location. Capitalism has proved useful to us as a species, but it is no longer so. Just like feudalism before it, capitalism must die and be replaced by a better system, more equipped to deal with the needs of our global community in the long run.
Original post by DorianGrayism
A) 99.99% of business owners do not have a ferrari and etc. That is just BS.

B) They go bankrupt. They can lose everything. An employee does not have to.

C) You want to start a business? Go and take a loan out. That is how most businesses start.


If the businessman is aware of the concept of a limited liability company or partnership and chooses not to set one up then frankly they only have themselves to blame if they go bankrupt.
Funny how most socialist are off the cider drinking benefit class. Most of the socialists on tsr preach socialism because they are young and they want to rebel and in ten years will look back at their antics with embarressment
Original post by mojojojo101
Firstly the free market is not the preserve of Capitalism, plenty of theorists from across the political spectrum could be said to be in favor, Ricardian socialists and Proudhorn inspired anarchists come to mind.

Secondly, Capitalist governments like to say the favor free markets, but then pile hundreds of thousands of rules and regulations on them to prevent those markets from being free.




Exactly, we live in a society where people get rich from the misery and suffering of others. Is that a situation we should be happy with? That as we produce more food, more people should starve? That as we better understand medicine, some should be excluded from those gains because they don't have the requisite bank balance?

I think that we can live in a world that is better than that, I want to live in a world where all peoples benefit from our advancements, not just select groups arbitrarily divided by skin colour or geographical location. Capitalism has proved useful to us as a species, but it is no longer so. Just like feudalism before it, capitalism must die and be replaced by a better system, more equipped to deal with the needs of our global community in the long run.

Mojo i appreciate and respect your views. Sadly the idealistic world that you describe will not happen and why? Because it is not in the nature of the human animal. The base nature of the human animal is no different to any other. Greed,selfishness and self preservation at all costs. If it comes down to you or someone else suffering,who will it be? If its you or someone else starving,who will it be?

Life is one great big competition from the day that your fathers ejaculate leaves his penis to the day that the lack of oxygen slowly starves your brain, you become unconscious, your heart stops beating and what we call death happens.

You or them,which is it to be..?

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