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Hi guys,

last question on growth/decay now!

2 equations for 2 different cars depreciating value:

1)v=15000ektk=0.155 v=15000e^{-kt} k=0.155

2)w=18000e0.175tw=18000e^{-0.175t}

If both cars sold as new on the 1st Jan '05, I need to calculate the year they depreciated to the same value.

So, in the two equations above, t is the unknown to be determined.

15000ekt=18000e0.175t15000e^{-kt}=18000e^{-0.175t}


ekte0.175t=1.2\frac {e^{-kt}}{e^{-0.175t}}=1.2

I'm not sure if at this stage I'm going the right way about it....but this is what I did:

ekt×e(0.175t)1=1.2 e^{-kt} \times e^{(-0.175t)-1} = 1.2

The line above makes me think I have done the wrong thing, because the -t in the second e cancels the first t from the first e.

Could anyone give me a few clues?
Thanks
Reply 1
Original post by marcsaccount
Hi guys,

last question on growth/decay now!

2 equations for 2 different cars depreciating value:

1)v=15000ektk=0.155 v=15000e^{-kt} k=0.155

2)w=18000e0.175tw=18000e^{-0.175t}

If both cars sold as new on the 1st Jan '05, I need to calculate the year they depreciated to the same value.

So, in the two equations above, t is the unknown to be determined.

15000ekt=18000e0.175t15000e^{-kt}=18000e^{-0.175t}


ekte0.175t=1.2\frac {e^{-kt}}{e^{-0.175t}}=1.2

I'm not sure if at this stage I'm going the right way about it....but this is what I did:

ekt×e(0.175t)1=1.2 e^{-kt} \times e^{(-0.175t)-1} = 1.2

The line above makes me think I have done the wrong thing, because the -t in the second e cancels the first t from the first e.

Could anyone give me a few clues?
Thanks


I think you need to revise your laws of indices :smile:

1eu=eu\dfrac{1}{e^{-u}} = e^u

Time for a break?
Original post by marcsaccount
Hi guys,

last question on growth/decay now!

2 equations for 2 different cars depreciating value:

1)v=15000ektk=0.155 v=15000e^{-kt} k=0.155

2)w=18000e0.175tw=18000e^{-0.175t}

If both cars sold as new on the 1st Jan '05, I need to calculate the year they depreciated to the same value.

So, in the two equations above, t is the unknown to be determined.

15000ekt=18000e0.175t15000e^{-kt}=18000e^{-0.175t}


ekte0.175t=1.2\frac {e^{-kt}}{e^{-0.175t}}=1.2

I'm not sure if at this stage I'm going the right way about it....but this is what I did:

ekt×e(0.175t)1=1.2 e^{-kt} \times e^{(-0.175t)-1} = 1.2

The line above makes me think I have done the wrong thing, because the -t in the second e cancels the first t from the first e.

Could anyone give me a few clues?
Thanks




Yes that line is wrong. Take logs and you'll get a simple equation
Reply 3
Original post by marcsaccount
Hi guys,

last question on growth/decay now!

2 equations for 2 different cars depreciating value:

1)v=15000ektk=0.155 v=15000e^{-kt} k=0.155

2)w=18000e0.175tw=18000e^{-0.175t}

If both cars sold as new on the 1st Jan '05, I need to calculate the year they depreciated to the same value.

So, in the two equations above, t is the unknown to be determined.

15000ekt=18000e0.175t15000e^{-kt}=18000e^{-0.175t}


ekte0.175t=1.2\frac {e^{-kt}}{e^{-0.175t}}=1.2

I'm not sure if at this stage I'm going the right way about it....but this is what I did:

ekt×e(0.175t)1=1.2 e^{-kt} \times e^{(-0.175t)-1} = 1.2

The line above makes me think I have done the wrong thing, because the -t in the second e cancels the first t from the first e.

Could anyone give me a few clues?
Thanks


write 15,000 and 18,000 as e^(ln15000) and e^(ln18000) use indice laws and compare both sides of the equation and rearrange to get t
Reply 4
Original post by davros
I think you need to revise your laws of indices :smile:

1eu=eu\dfrac{1}{e^{-u}} = e^u

Time for a break?



I've been doing it all day :frown:
Reply 5
Original post by Dalek1099
write 15,000 and 18,000 as e^(ln15000) and e^(ln18000) use indice laws and compare both sides of the equation and rearrange to get t



What would I do with the e terms when I raise 15,000 & 18,000 to e?
Reply 6
Original post by marcsaccount
What would I do with the e terms when I raise 15,000 & 18,000 to e?


a^ba^c=a^(b+c) so you just add the indices once you got everything to the power e on both sides and then you can simply remove the power e or ln both sides and then rearrange to get t.
Reply 7
Original post by Dalek1099
a^ba^c=a^(b+c) so you just add the indices once you got everything to the power e on both sides and then you can simply remove the power e or ln both sides and then rearrange to get t.


I meant, if I'm raising the numbers to base e, then doesn't this affect the balance of the equation, so don't I also have to raise the e terms to base e too? Much like if I wanted to divide some terms by something, I'd have to divide all the terms by that something. Maybe I misunderstood your earlier post but I interpreted it as you saying I should raise some terms to base e, but not all of them.
Reply 8
Original post by marcsaccount
I meant, if I'm raising the numbers to base e, then doesn't this affect the balance of the equation, so don't I also have to raise the e terms to base e too? Much like if I wanted to divide some terms by something, I'd have to divide all the terms by that something. Maybe I misunderstood your earlier post but I interpreted it as you saying I should raise some terms to base e, but not all of them.


You are substituting an identity e^(lna)=a this is true for all numbers so you aren't doing anything to the equation.

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