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Reply 20
Original post by CTArsenal
The other way is more doing it all in one go in my opinion, it's the same method just done quicker. If you spot good substitutions in any question, use them straight away before attempting integration by parts - that's if the question needs it (generally you end up using just the one method).


Hmm... But shouldn't it work either way? :frown:

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Reply 21
Original post by Branny101
Hmm... But shouldn't it work either way? :frown:

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It should, post your working out and I'll check for any errors - a little one could've easily messed it all up :tongue:
I used IBP and u=e^(x^2) so du/dx= 2xe^(x^2) rest was simple and long assess xD
Reply 23
Original post by CTArsenal
It should, post your working out and I'll check for any errors - a little one could've easily messed it all up :tongue:


Wait I think I see it :eek:; if you were going to integrate (xe^(x^2)) how would you do it :rolleyes: ( without substitution)

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Reply 24
Original post by Branny101
If you were going to integrate (xe^(x^2)) how would you do it? (without substitution)


You cannot integrate this by parts (*), using the substitution u=x2u = x^{2} is the way to go.

(*) Since ex2 dx\displaystyle \int e^{x^{2}} \ \mathrm{d}x cannot be expressed using elementary functions.
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Reply 25
Original post by Branny101
Wait I think I see it :eek:; if you were going to integrate (xe^(x^2)) how would you do it :rolleyes: ( without substitution)

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That's pretty difficult to do, I would just stick to substitution when you get to that part because otherwise you put yourself in a pretty awful situation haha.
Original post by CTArsenal
That's pretty difficult to do, I would just stick to substitution when you get to that part because otherwise you put yourself in a pretty awful situation haha.


No, that bit is easy as it is simply by recognition
Original post by Branny101
Wait I think I see it :eek:; if you were going to integrate (xe^(x^2)) how would you do it :rolleyes: ( without substitution)

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That's easy, it's just a simple inverse chain rule integral :s-smilie:

xex2=ex22+C\displaystyle\int xe^{x^{2}} = \dfrac{e^{x^{2}}}{2} + C

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Reply 28
Original post by TenOfThem
No, that bit is easy as it is simply by recognition


yup of course, just making the point that you can't do it using IBP.

Substitution still works just takes a little more time (and is pretty much unnecessary I guess) if you can spot that it's just a simple inverse chain rule integral.
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Reply 29
Original post by majmuh24
That's easy, it's just a simple inverse chain rule integral :s-smilie:

xex2=ex22+C\displaystyle\int xe^{x^{2}} = \dfrac{e^{x^{2}}}{2} + C

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That's what I tried but now try the overall integral OP asked without substitution, I get an extra term :frown:

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Reply 30
Original post by miketree
You cannot integrate this by parts (*), using the substitution u=x2u = x^{2} is the way to go.

(*) Since ex2 dx\displaystyle \int e^{x^{2}} \ \mathrm{d}x cannot be expressed using elementary functions.


Ah thank you :redface:

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Reply 31
Original post by TenOfThem
No, that bit is easy as it is simply by recognition


Could you explain any further??

EDIT: sorry OP but its an interesting question :awesome:

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Original post by Branny101
That's what I tried but now try the overall integral OP asked without substitution, I get an extra term :frown:

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You can't do that with just a straight substitution cos x^3 isn't a differential multiple of x^2.

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Original post by Branny101
Could you explain any further??

EDIT: sorry OP but its an interesting question :awesome:

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Reply 34
Original post by majmuh24
You can't do that with just a straight substitution cos x^3 isn't a differential multiple of x^2.

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Original post by TenOfThem
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Got it thaaaaanks

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I did it and I'm still alive ... :erm:
Reply 36
Here you go guys.
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Original post by 06awaism
Here you go guys.
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Reply 38
Thank You sir for pointing this out to me.


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Original post by Khallil
I did it and I'm still alive ... :erm:

:laugh:

Original post by 06awaism
Thank You sir for pointing this out to me.



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