Poland has benefitted massively from EU whilst UK is on its knees

But it is a fair picture- 95% of the immigrants who come here earn sod-all yet consume a lot. Most immigrants are not going to earn much more beyond £18k. The tax they would pay is pretty much hardly anything- they cost the DoE and NHS billions......

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Then how do you plan to make the low-skilled British citizens here who don't want to work, get jobs, e.g. office cleaning, security officer, coffee shop attendent ,.....etc ? I have more respect for those who want to work than those who are able but choose benefits instead. The UK benefits system is far too prone to abuse and perpetuates an underclass of socially irresponsible people without a work ethic. As for your NHS it is an out-of-date Golden Calf irrationally adored by the masses as an ideological necessity and right. The NHS is already brought to its knees financially - (thank you Labour) - and now cannot sustain a proper level of care to its customers. NHS Doctors are forced to guard their tongues and be economic with the truth to their patients less they get sued because they know certain NHS standard medical responses in place to the ailments of patients are often inadequate due to lack of money. Large scale EU immigration is squeezing the system but the problem is not simply down to the large number of Poles working here. It is more complex. I'm sure you know that.

1) By cutting benefits. Its all stick and carrot- they need some more "stick".
2) Im not saying THE problem with the NHS is immigration- i'm saying its a problem we could easily solve and yet we keep on pandering to invite millions more to use it- millions who are not paying much to use it. Its insane. The same thing with education- in London they are having to teach kids in plastic pre-fabricated huts because schools are overflowing.......

Why should the UK taxpayer have to pay more and more in tax because of immigrants arriving here?

With this whole situation between Ukraine and Russia and now with Scotland wanting independence while the UK wants to part from the EU, I am seeing a weird parallel with the situation before WWII....

With this whole situation between Ukraine and Russia and now with Scotland wanting independence while the UK wants to part from the EU, I am seeing a weird parallel with the situation before WWII....

I agree in some respects. The thing that concerns me most though is the apathy and naivety in matters of foreign affairs. We had people who actually thought that Assad would come to peace, we have people even now acting as apologists for Putin.

Not since the 30's have we seen such anti-war sentiment and that's worrying because the world is not a safe place where countries get along with each other, it's a world where bullies like Russia annex territory and tyrants like Assad commit genocide.

The world may not like the west acting as a police force but it sure as hell needs it to do so.

Guess why so many Polish people come to the UK. They aren't on holiday but the standard of living in Poland is so crap that migrating somewhere else is the most sensible option!

I'm saying this as a student at an English uni from Poland who is never going to go back to that country, because life in the UK is better by miles. And I'm not on any benefits by the way, so don't worry about your money OP.


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Its not just about benefits:

-School places need to be created more so because of immigration
-Hospital places need to be created more so because of immigration
-Transport in London will need to be increased more so because of immigration
-Power grid/supplies will need to be increase more so because of immigration
-Water supply will need to be increased more so because of immigration
-Rents will increase
-Wages will suppress

and for what advantage? The above are some pretty expensive disadvantages!

don't forget that these awful immigrants spend their money in British shops and it helps the economy grow. Britain gets money for Polish people living here, not Poland. Polish women in Britain have more children than those in Poland - children who are born here, they will be educated here and they will stay here.

Remember that apart from immigrants coming to the UK, many British people move out abroad every year. It's not just a one-way flow.

Guess why so many Polish people come to the UK. They aren't on holiday but the standard of living in Poland is so crap that migrating somewhere else is the most sensible option!

I'm saying this as a student at an English uni from Poland who is never going to go back to that country, because life in the UK is better by miles. And I'm not on any benefits by the way, so don't worry about your money OP.


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Most poles are on minimum wage and take out far more than they put in. You are talking labour propaganda

The fact that Poland is a crap country is you problem. We are sick of being Europes charity for impoverished Eastern Europeans. You are not our problem

and you are talking Daily Mail propaganda.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25880373

''When we do that, we see that between 1995-2011, on average each EEA immigrant put about £6,000 more into the public purse than they took out.

''Non-EEA immigrants each took out about £21,000 more than they put in during that period.
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''And this group is the biggest - non-EEA immigrants make up two thirds of the UK immigrant population. So both groups of immigrants - EEA and non-EEA - considered together, take out around £14,000 more than they put in, amounting to a deficit of around £95bn for the public purse between 1995-2011''

so please, don't tell me that immigration from within the EU is the biggest problem.



charity? as if I was living here for nothing?! you're being ridiculous. I haven't seen money on the streets so I could go to Tesco and buy stuff I need. Actually, I've had to earn them here.

I do not trust the bbc as an accurate independent source

That's the difference in our political views and that's why we have contrasting opinions about immigration.


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Obviously, you are an immigrant

Its not just about benefits:

-School places need to be created more so because of immigration
-Hospital places need to be created more so because of immigration
-Transport in London will need to be increased more so because of immigration
-Power grid/supplies will need to be increase more so because of immigration
-Water supply will need to be increased more so because of immigration
-Rents will increase
-Wages will suppress

and for what advantage? The above are some pretty expensive disadvantages!

i agree poland has done very well out of it, so has the uk though, the uk could do well leaving but it depends on being able to maintain the free trade area which it should be able to do as it is also in europes interests.