Abuse or no?

I didn't put specifics, because different things are considered in different ways by different cultures and generations.
I'm aware that doesn't give my statement much integrity - but see the above within this post, and I've pretty much been stripped of it anyway
From my own perspective - 'atrocious' would be taking advantage of a vulnerable person (e.g. elderly, disabled, retarded) by threat/intimidation, or cunning, for personal gain.

I agree with disciplining your children. However, I agree this was a bit too extreme.
Clearly the child was wrong and she acknowledged her mistake. Yet, I think it is not fair to allude to the fact that the mother is not a good one simply because she retorted to whipping her child. I believe if she wasn't a good mother, she probably wouldn't care about her child posting pictures semi-nude. However, here is a mother who is trying to correct her daughter's ways and to get her to think twice about her actions.

I mean lets face fact, we all did stupid things when we were kids- probably not this extreme. And although our parents might have chosen different disciplinary methods, lets remember that we have very different cultures from others.

Whipping your 12 year old child with a belt repeatedly on her arms/legs and HEAD is unacceptable. If that doesn't make a bad mother then I don't know what does. Sure the girl shouldn't have done what she did, but for her own mother to practically torture her for it is abhorrent.


Reminds me of the Plan B song 'Tough Love':
"They call it tough love, I call it hatred"

And you think that teaching a child that violence solves problem will stop them from doing such wrong things? I don't but I'm curious to see your counterargument.

Interesting. If I've got any left, I'm +1'ing you, you've made me think.

I think I probably was emotionally abused by my father. Not intentionally (he had a very severe head injury before I was born which means he can be extremely volatile, reactionary, more violent and generally just harsher - and he does lack insight into that, because it's a biological change. He had pretty bad brain damage and was in a coma for 6 weeks). It's also of note though that I was being sexually abused from the age of 5-6 (not by my father, and he was unaware of it).

Interesting ''No beating I've ever gotten changed my views on anything. I certainly pretended it did.'' I have to say I'm the same. I was going to reply saying, 'but it taught me what I shouldn't do if I didn't want another clout' but then I realised, I'd not NEED to learn to avoid a clout if I didn't get one in the first place. That has made me think hard actually.

I would still most definitely not have qualms about smacking a kid if they were about to stick a fork in the toaster, no question. Gosh though, curveball. I would still react immediately to a misdemeanor but I'd consider immediately removing a privilege instead.

Food for thought!

I'm from that country. I've grown up in this culture and I can say to you now that it is WRONG in all ways to hit a child like that.

The excuse most here use is a quote from the bible which says something to the effect of spare the rod and spoil the child

I guess I see it as, it's only 'forcing' if you do it strongly enough that they desist. My head is telling me that I do what *I* consider acceptable and then leave it.
Oh **** you, haha (I don't mean that offensively), I guess if my 'reasonable' discipline doesn't work I end up punching the little **** to the ground to make my point .
Yeah I ain't really considered what happens if someone deviates from the Masterplan....

Well for starters, I did say it was a bit extreme. But I still maintain she is not a bad mother. How you define a bad mother is subjective but I see a bad mother as someone who has no time for her children. Someone who is constantly doing drugs and thinking about only herself when she clearly has children to take care of. But this is clearly not the case here. She did this to correct her child so how exactly does that make her bad??

i agree though....it is 'Tough Love'

I replied to this earlier as a response from another person challenging my viewpoint

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2“Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3“so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”^a 4Fathers,^b do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.


How I used to love quoting the bolded verse whenever my parents used to invoke the old "respect your elders" line. Funny that they never drill that part of this particular Biblical law into your head when you're a kid!

If she doesn't do it again, then I'd say it worked.

I'm no expert but I think you seek council from a professional before you have children. This is meant as advice and not an insult.

First one was Austria
2nd Canada
3rd UK.

could be immigrants still

Forcing someone into submission via violence is reminiscent of slavery!

I fail to understand your point.

Even if they are, it doesn't make their point of view correct.