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    Could we please have a Syria mega thread? It's DISGUSTING people are singing about what happened at 9/11.

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    Sunni Muslims in Iran

    1. In Iran, sunni's are allowed and permitted to build their own mosques in normal circumstances - there are many sunni mosques.

    2. There are over 20 members of parliament who are sunni's.
    3. There isn't a single shia member in any high cabinet position in Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, countries which openly forbid shia muslims from openly preaching, and occupying any high posts, and regularly arrest them.

    Don't believe the hype spread by those who want sectarian violence, watch this video and decide for your self:



    Kuwait, a U.S. ally on Syria, is also the leading funder of extremist rebels


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    Beware of the minority spreading lies about shiite muslims. Shia muslims all believe. Many people on tsr have started to call me an apostate/insult my beliefs.


    1. There is no God but Allah swt, and only him do we ultimately rely on. He can never be seen, has no 'form' or 'confine' because it is an injustice to the almighty to say he has a form, can be seen, moves.
    2. That Muhammed peace and blessings be upon him, is the greatest man and the seal of the prophets pbuh.
    3. No Imam has 'complete knowledge of the unseen', , this is kufr. Furthermore, we believe the Imams a.s are slaves of Allah swt, and have no power nor knowledge independent of what Allah swt permits them to have. The final Imam is the Mahdi a.s.
    4. That sunni's are our MUSLIM brothers and sisters.
    5. We do not class Abubakr, Umar, nor Uthman among the great companions, but it is FORBIDDEN to abuse them in shia islam. We merely state places where we feel we disagreed with their actions, and our view on such matters. We also LOVE the Sahabah, the loyal ones, the matyr's of badr, and many many more, ranging from Ibn Abbas (r.a), to Hazrat Hamza(r.a) to Bilal (r.a) to Abudhar (r.a)..(i could keep on going)
    6. We follow the Sunnah of Muhammed pbuh, as preserved by the ahlulbayt a.s and the pious companions.
    7. Only a minority of shias self-flagetllate. This is considered impermissible by a vast number of our most emminent scholars.
    8. Be careful when you find anyone quoting Al-Kafi , we do not consider every hadith sahih or hasan, many could be 'daef'. We use the sciences of hadith on each and every one. When you count all the hadiths, you still get to over as many sahih hadiths as Bukhari.
    9. IRAN DOES NOT OPRESS SUNNI'S. Iran has over 20 sunni members of parliament and many many sunni mosques. In saudi, indonesia, malaysia, bahrain, shia's are forbidden from taking posts in any government or any 'high' end job, and in many of these countries, it is ILLEGAL to be a shia.
    10. Shia's comprise of 250,000,000 , 90% of those are twelvers. They are a VERY sizeable minority, and consider the fact it's illegal to practise as a shia in many wahhabi countries, and the opression they've been through - it's a miracle.


    Grand Ayatullah Khamenei




    Ayatullah Khamenei, in his position as the Hakim Al-Shari’i has given a Hukm forbidding blood flagellation. A hukm is binding on all Muslims, unlike a fatwa.


    Question 1450:
    Is hitting oneself with swords halal if it is done in secret? Or is your fatwa in this regard universal?

    Answer:
    In addition to the fact that it is not held in the common view as manifestations of mourning and grief and it has no precedent at the lifetime of the Imams (a.s.) and even after that and we have not received any tradition quoted from the Infallibles (a.s.) about any support for this act, be it privately or publicly, this practice would, at the present time, give others a bad image of our school of thought. Therefore, there is no way that it can be considered permissible.

    A whole host of rulings from the most emminent shia-scholars against self harm: http://tatbir.org/?page_id=98




    With regards to insulting the companions, shia's love the loyal companions of Muhammed pbuh. Ofcourse, there are some we do not regard highly, but it is harram to revile and mock them.

    Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa, declared unlawful the insulting Prophet's wife Aisha, and any of the Sunni Islamic symbols.


    Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa, declared unlawful the insulting Prophet's wife Aisha, and any of the Sunni Islamic symbols.

    Islamic World widely welcomed the fatwa, Rohama reported.

    The leader of Islamic revolution in response to question announced: "insulting the symbols of the Sunni brothers, including the Prophet Muhammad's wife [Aisha] is forbidden. This includes the women of all prophets and especially the holy Prophet Muhammad ."

    Source: Rohama





    Kuwait, a U.S. ally whose aid to besieged Syrian civilians has been surpassed only by the United States this year, is also the leading source of funding for al-Qaeda-linked terrorists fighting in Syria’s civil war, according to Obama administration officials. The amount of money that has flowed from Kuwaiti individuals and through organized charities to Syrian rebel groups such as Jabhat al-Nusra totals in the hundreds of millions of dollars, according to experts whose estimates are endorsed by the Treasury Department.


    Syria crisis: Al-Nusra pledges allegiance to al-Qaeda



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22095099
    The leader of the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist group fighting in Syria, has pledged allegiance to the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani said the group's behaviour in Syria would not change as a result.
    Al-Nusra claims to be have carried out many suicide bombings and guerrilla attacks against state targets.
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    (Original post by Zainabahlulbayt)
    Kuwait, a U.S. ally on Syria, is also the leading funder of extremist rebels




    Kuwait, a U.S. ally whose aid to besieged Syrian civilians has been surpassed only by the United States this year, is also the leading source of funding for al-Qaeda-linked terrorists fighting in Syria’s civil war, according to Obama administration officials. The amount of money that has flowed from Kuwaiti individuals and through organized charities to Syrian rebel groups such as Jabhat al-Nusra totals in the hundreds of millions of dollars, according to experts whose estimates are endorsed by the Treasury Department.
    Funding al-Nusra and al-Qaeda are two completely different things.
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    (Original post by VeniViciVidi)
    Funding al-Nusra and al-Qaeda are two completely different things.
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    Beware of the minority spreading lies about shiite muslims. Shia muslims all believe. Many people on tsr have started to call me an apostate/insult my beliefs.


    1. There is no God but Allah swt, and only him do we ultimately rely on. He can never be seen, has no 'form' or 'confine' because it is an injustice to the almighty to say he has a form, can be seen, moves.
    2. That Muhammed peace and blessings be upon him, is the greatest man and the seal of the prophets pbuh.
    3. No Imam has 'complete knowledge of the unseen', , this is kufr. Furthermore, we believe the Imams a.s are slaves of Allah swt, and have no power nor knowledge independent of what Allah swt permits them to have. The final Imam is the Mahdi a.s.
    4. That sunni's are our MUSLIM brothers and sisters.
    5. We do not class Abubakr, Umar, nor Uthman among the great companions, but it is FORBIDDEN to abuse them in shia islam. We merely state places where we feel we disagreed with their actions, and our view on such matters. We also LOVE the Sahabah, the loyal ones, the matyr's of badr, and many many more, ranging from Ibn Abbas (r.a), to Hazrat Hamza(r.a) to Bilal (r.a) to Abudhar (r.a)..(i could keep on going)
    6. We follow the Sunnah of Muhammed pbuh, as preserved by the ahlulbayt a.s and the pious companions.
    7. Only a minority of shias self-flagetllate. This is considered impermissible by a vast number of our most emminent scholars.
    8. Be careful when you find anyone quoting Al-Kafi , we do not consider every hadith sahih or hasan, many could be 'daef'. We use the sciences of hadith on each and every one. When you count all the hadiths, you still get to over as many sahih hadiths as Bukhari.
    9. IRAN DOES NOT OPRESS SUNNI'S. Iran has over 20 sunni members of parliament and many many sunni mosques. In saudi, indonesia, malaysia, bahrain, shia's are forbidden from taking posts in any government or any 'high' end job, and in many of these countries, it is ILLEGAL to be a shia.
    10. Shia's comprise of 250,000,000 , 90% of those are twelvers. They are a VERY sizeable minority, and consider the fact it's illegal to practise as a shia in many wahhabi countries, and the opression they've been through - it's a miracle.


    Grand Ayatullah Khamenei




    Ayatullah Khamenei, in his position as the Hakim Al-Shari’i has given a Hukm forbidding blood flagellation. A hukm is binding on all Muslims, unlike a fatwa.


    Question 1450:
    Is hitting oneself with swords halal if it is done in secret? Or is your fatwa in this regard universal?

    Answer:
    In addition to the fact that it is not held in the common view as manifestations of mourning and grief and it has no precedent at the lifetime of the Imams (a.s.) and even after that and we have not received any tradition quoted from the Infallibles (a.s.) about any support for this act, be it privately or publicly, this practice would, at the present time, give others a bad image of our school of thought. Therefore, there is no way that it can be considered permissible.

    A whole host of rulings from the most emminent shia-scholars against self harm: http://tatbir.org/?page_id=98




    With regards to insulting the companions, shia's love the loyal companions of Muhammed pbuh. Ofcourse, there are some we do not regard highly, but it is harram to revile and mock them.

    Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa, declared unlawful the insulting Prophet's wife Aisha, and any of the Sunni Islamic symbols.


    Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa, declared unlawful the insulting Prophet's wife Aisha, and any of the Sunni Islamic symbols.

    Islamic World widely welcomed the fatwa, Rohama reported.

    The leader of Islamic revolution in response to question announced: "insulting the symbols of the Sunni brothers, including the Prophet Muhammad's wife [Aisha] is forbidden. This includes the women of all prophets and especially the holy Prophet Muhammad ."

    Source: Rohama


    Syria crisis: Al-Nusra pledges allegiance to al-Qaeda



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22095099
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    (Original post by Zainabahlulbayt)
    Syria crisis: Al-Nusra pledges allegiance to al-Qaeda



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22095099
    Article dated in 2013. Since then, we've had an al-Nusra commander killed by members of the al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Sham. They are two distinct groups, fighting for different reasons and their interests are very, very loosely aligned but that is often clouded by their different strategic interests.

    Not to mention the internal infighting which means you must really take any pledges of allegiance with a pinch of salt.
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    (Original post by VeniViciVidi)
    Article dated in 2013. Since then, we've had an al-Nusra commander killed by members of the al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Sham. They are two distinct groups, fighting for different reasons and their interests are very, very loosely aligned but that is often clouded by their different strategic interests.

    Not to mention the internal infighting which means you must really take any pledges of allegiance with a pinch of salt.
    All i know is, Al Nusra themselves have pledged allegience. Whether or not there was infighting between al-nusra and alqaeda allies that led to his death i don't know.

    But the war in syria is a chaos, infighting between several groups.

    It's just ironic a lot of the 'rebels' aren't even syrian.
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    (Original post by VeniViciVidi)
    Article dated in 2013. Since then, we've had an al-Nusra commander killed by members of the al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Sham. They are two distinct groups, fighting for different reasons and their interests are very, very loosely aligned but that is often clouded by their different strategic interests.

    Not to mention the internal infighting which means you must really take any pledges of allegiance with a pinch of salt.
    I doubt America will be funding Nusra any time soon...

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    All i know is, Al Nusra themselves have pledged allegience. Whether or not there was infighting between al-nusra and alqaeda allies that led to his death i don't know.

    But the war in syria is a chaos, infighting between several groups.

    It's just ironic a lot of the 'rebels' aren't even syrian.

    Tell me about it. Hezbollah sure aren't Syrian.
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    (Original post by AbuTSR)
    I doubt America will be funding Nusra any time soon...
    Your point?
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    (Original post by VeniViciVidi)
    Your point?
    I should've quoted your post regarding funding Nusra and Qaeda as 2 different things.

    Some insight as to how would be appreciated as to my knowledge it's the same thing.
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    (Original post by AbuTSR)
    Tell me about it. Hezbollah sure aren't Syrian.
    First of all, the Alqaeda backed groups have been infiltrating syria from the beggining. All Hezbollah are doing is making sure Syria does not fall into the hands of Alqaeda, because that will bring terror for all muslims and weaken the stability of the middle east even further.

    I don't like Assad, i think he is indeed a dictator, but i don't want alqaeda or alqaeda backed tafkiri groups gaining power.

    I want the muslims of Syria to use democracy and have free elections.

    But i have a choice, the secular Assad, or the tafkiri alqaeda backed groups, who will i choose?
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    All the Arabs are the same, so not really surprised by this and to think we considered helping these bast***** at one point. Im no fan of labour but thank god for you left wingers voting against this. Let them destroy each other
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    (Original post by AbuTSR)
    I doubt America will be funding Nusra any time soon...
    They'll leave that job to saudi arabia
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    (Original post by Zainabahlulbayt)
    First of all, the Alqaeda backed groups have been infiltrating syria from the beggining. All Hezbollah are doing is making sure Syria does not fall into the hands of Alqaeda, because that will bring terror for all muslims and weaken the stability of the middle east even further.

    I don't like Assad, i think he is indeed a dictator, but i don't want alqaeda or alqaeda backed tafkiri groups gaining power.

    I want the muslims of Syria to use democracy and have free elections.

    But i have a choice, the secular Assad, or the tafkiri alqaeda backed groups, who will i choose?
    They actually came in 2013 and before that it as a revolution. If Assad had stepped down, none of this would've happened. However, now that it has I ask Allah to give the Muslims power over Bashar and his allies.



    (Original post by Zainabahlulbayt)
    They'll leave that job to saudi arabia
    Lol, do you actually think Al Qaeda are funded by Saudi? Saudi are allied with America so do intrigue me as to how that would work out?
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    (Original post by AbuTSR)
    Lol, do you actually think Al Qaeda are funded by Saudi? Saudi are allied with America so do intrigue me as to how that would work out?
    Launder Saudi government money through a seemingly legitimate exercise, an apartment block being built in Dubai for instance, then funnel the profits from that to an 'investor' in another country, somewhere like Jordan or Egypt, who then diverts it into accounts controlled by AQ. Not saying it's actually happening, and the CIA would catch up with schemes if they were used for too long, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility to do it.
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    (Original post by AbuTSR)
    They actually came in 2013 and before that it as a revolution. If Assad had stepped down, none of this would've happened. However, now that it has I ask Allah to give the Muslims power over Bashar and his allies.
    It is widely known alqaeda and their affiliates were part of this entire attack from the very very beginning. Assad is as much as a dictator as the saud , or the bahrain and co. All are dictators.

    You need to be very careful who you are praying for - alqaeda backed groups who are killing syrians? Do you genuinly think tafkiri's and alqaeda affiliates will make syria a better place?

    In Egypt, they over-threw the government of Mubarak without this sort of war. Why? Because the US and Saud didn't need to dislodge Syria into chaos, install an Iran/Lebanon hating government to isolate Iran.

    There are many ways Assad would have been taken down by the will of the people and forced into democracy, but Alqaeda and their affiliates invaded from the get go.

    The lesser of two evils is Assad, who i would prefer over Alqaeda anyday. The ideal? Muslims - not alqaeda, using democracy to vote.

    People need to realize when Israel and the US have a common enemy, it can't be good.


    Lol, do you actually think Al Qaeda are funded by Saudi? Saudi are allied with America so do intrigue me as to how that would work out?
    Wikileaks: Saudis 'chief funders of al-Qaeda'

    Private individuals in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states friendly to the United States are the chief source of funding for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist groups, according to leaked US diplomatic cables.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-al-Qaeda.html
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    (Original post by Le Nombre)
    Launder Saudi government money through a seemingly legitimate exercise, an apartment block being built in Dubai for instance, then funnel the profits from that to an 'investor' in another country, somewhere like Jordan or Egypt, who then diverts it into accounts controlled by AQ. Not saying it's actually happening, and the CIA would catch up with schemes if they were used for too long, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility to do it.
    It wouldn't work for two reasons. Number one being that a Saudi has no interest in backing a group who wants to oust them. Number two is that I'm sure you're aware of the infighting that's been happening over the past few months. If it was found that Al Qaeda were given Saudi weapons to fight other Muslim groups, it would be clear who's in the wrong. You also have groups like AQAP and Al Shabab who would reconsider the allegiance they gave to Al Qaeda.

    (Original post by Zainabahlulbayt)
    It is widely known alqaeda and their affiliates were part of this entire attack from the very very beginning. Assad is as much as a dictator as the saud , or the bahrain and co. All are dictators.

    You need to be very careful who you are praying for - alqaeda backed groups who are killing syrians? Do you genuinly think tafkiri's and alqaeda affiliates will make syria a better place?

    In Egypt, they over-threw the government of Mubarak without this sort of war. Why? Because the US and Saud didn't need to dislodge Syria into chaos, install an Iran/Lebanon hating government to isolate Iran.

    There are many ways Assad would have been taken down by the will of the people and forced into democracy, but Alqaeda and their affiliates invaded from the get go.

    The lesser of two evils is Assad, who i would prefer over Alqaeda anyday. The ideal? Muslims - not alqaeda, using democracy to vote.

    People need to realize when Israel and the US have a common enemy, it can't be good.




    Wikileaks: Saudis 'chief funders of al-Qaeda'

    Private individuals in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states friendly to the United States are the chief source of funding for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist groups, according to leaked US diplomatic cables.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-al-Qaeda.html
    I'll skip the ramblings of the first part of your post and go to 'people need to realise...'. You're aware this common enemy is ISIL (who are now real close to entering Baghdad).

    The situation in Syria quickly went from help the rebels to Assad is the lesser of two evils.

    As for the last bit, of course private donors fund them. I'm referring to officials supporting / funding them. It makes no sense that Saudi are funding a group who fights them.
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    I think we all know that there is not a good side to support in this war.

    America would be doing more good to get rid of Assad AND the rebels and occupy the country, but of course it will never do that because it is against its ideology (which is good, really) and we've learnt pessimistic lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    (Original post by felamaslen)
    I think we all know that there is not a good side to support in this war.

    America would be doing more good to get rid of Assad AND the rebels and occupy the country, but of course it will never do that because it is against its ideology (which is good, really) and we've learnt pessimistic lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Go back to 2007 and America were fighting to take insurgents out of Fallujah. We're now in 2014 and they've regained Fallujah and are heading towards Baghdad.

    I'm not particularly sure America would want to invade another country at the moment.
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    (Original post by AbuTSR)
    Go back to 2007 and America were fighting to take insurgents out of Fallujah. We're now in 2014 and they've regained Fallujah and are heading towards Baghdad.

    I'm not particularly sure America would want to invade another country at the moment.
    Look, i just need to say it's not a sunni shia thing. Just trust me on this. Iran sticks out it's neck for palestine.

    This is political. The only reason hezbollah are in there is 'not to saughter' sunni's. It's because they don't want Alqaeda gaining power, they don't want the route from Iran to leabanon cut off thus empowering israel to try to invade lebanon/ isolate Iran. Alqaeda backed groups cause havock in Iraq(and arent in government), imagine if thy actually took control over a country as powerful as SYRIA.

    Assad is truly a dictator, but the alqaeda groups will honestly bring great chaos and harm.

    You need to try and help diffuse the situation in Syria, stop the blood shed, get alqaeda out. Then work on allowing the syrian people to vote like they did in egypt.- which was a shambles but better than what's going on.

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