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Medicine at Imperial
Sorry if this has been asked previously.
I was wondering exactly how prestigious the medicine course at Imperial was, is it seen as being as good doing it from an Oxbridge university?
What are my prospects if i decide to go ahed with Medicine at Imperial, is it a degree that will be held with good value and seen as something comparable to medicine graduates from Oxbridge/other good medicine degrees?
Cheerss
I was wondering exactly how prestigious the medicine course at Imperial was, is it seen as being as good doing it from an Oxbridge university?
What are my prospects if i decide to go ahed with Medicine at Imperial, is it a degree that will be held with good value and seen as something comparable to medicine graduates from Oxbridge/other good medicine degrees?
Cheerss
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Mate dont be picky with medicine my brother got 4 A's and was turned down in all 4 choices, a girl from school who also got 4 A's was accpeted at one place.
Theres 2 things you should relaise aobut medicine, they like work experince, you have little chance of getting in unless you have loads of relivent work experince. They are apprntly not so interested in the odd day at a GP like my brother did, they want it to be a weekly comitment to show that you are commited to doing it on an on going basis.
The second thing is they love international students for their money, a guy a Know whos an international student got in to Bristol with B's.
Theres 2 things you should relaise aobut medicine, they like work experince, you have little chance of getting in unless you have loads of relivent work experince. They are apprntly not so interested in the odd day at a GP like my brother did, they want it to be a weekly comitment to show that you are commited to doing it on an on going basis.
The second thing is they love international students for their money, a guy a Know whos an international student got in to Bristol with B's.
*titanium*
The second thing is they love international students for their money, a guy a Know whos an international student got in to Bristol with B's.
The second thing is they love international students for their money, a guy a Know whos an international student got in to Bristol with B's.
Medical schools can only take a (very small) fixed number of international students by law, so that's a bit of a misinterpretation of the facts - being a home student is a strong benefit from applying for medical places in the UK. Essentially, as a home applicant you won't be competing against international students anyway, regardless of whether it's easier or harder for them to get in.
edit: see eg http://www.admissions.ox.ac.uk/int/ - "Oxford does not have quotas for international students (except for Medicine, when there is a Government-imposed quota of 7 non-EU students)"
Has anyone actually answered the original question?
In response to it, whichever uni you attend you will become a doctor, and you will be guaranteed A job. However, universities such as London and Oxbridge, which offer an intercalated degree usually hold better prospects, as apparently in a couple of years you wont have the option of going into hospital medicine without intercalating (ie you will be forced to become a GP).
To summarise - go to imperial. Only 300 graduate from oxbridge medicine in total each year. Apparently clinicals are better in london anyway
In response to it, whichever uni you attend you will become a doctor, and you will be guaranteed A job. However, universities such as London and Oxbridge, which offer an intercalated degree usually hold better prospects, as apparently in a couple of years you wont have the option of going into hospital medicine without intercalating (ie you will be forced to become a GP).
To summarise - go to imperial. Only 300 graduate from oxbridge medicine in total each year. Apparently clinicals are better in london anyway
In the interests of being evidenced based 
- any chance of some elaboration/justification/references for the key & potentially controversial statements slipped into your answer...?
TBH I think looking at the new system of allocation the university alone your degree is from is going to be largely irrelevant but more about the opportunities you've taken & contribution you've made during your time there... so if you think you'd flourish at Imperial, go for it!
- any chance of some elaboration/justification/references for the key & potentially controversial statements slipped into your answer...? wiji
In response to it, whichever uni you attend you will become a doctor, and you will be guaranteed A job. However, universities such as London and Oxbridge, which offer an intercalated degree usually hold better prospects, as apparently in a couple of years you wont have the option of going into hospital medicine without intercalating (ie you will be forced to become a GP).
To summarise - go to imperial. Only 300 graduate from oxbridge medicine in total each year. Apparently clinicals are better in london anyway
In response to it, whichever uni you attend you will become a doctor, and you will be guaranteed A job. However, universities such as London and Oxbridge, which offer an intercalated degree usually hold better prospects, as apparently in a couple of years you wont have the option of going into hospital medicine without intercalating (ie you will be forced to become a GP).
To summarise - go to imperial. Only 300 graduate from oxbridge medicine in total each year. Apparently clinicals are better in london anyway
TBH I think looking at the new system of allocation the university alone your degree is from is going to be largely irrelevant but more about the opportunities you've taken & contribution you've made during your time there... so if you think you'd flourish at Imperial, go for it!
Evidence based? Not likely.
Last year, you were guaranteed a job. Next year, we'll see - the large GEP cohort is graduating and we're getting all the ****ing european imports and no significant rise in job numbers.
Does intercalating get you a job? Maybe. It's by no means necessary. It can help you get an fy job, however, it's less helpfull the older it is.
Does where you go matter? No. All medical degrees in this country are created equal and are seen as such.
Last year, you were guaranteed a job. Next year, we'll see - the large GEP cohort is graduating and we're getting all the ****ing european imports and no significant rise in job numbers.
Does intercalating get you a job? Maybe. It's by no means necessary. It can help you get an fy job, however, it's less helpfull the older it is.
Does where you go matter? No. All medical degrees in this country are created equal and are seen as such.
medicine at imperial
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Have any of you been to Imperial college? I was there for an interveiw, as i applied there for Mechanical engineering. I did not like the idea of studying in London but when i saw the University i just didnt like what i saw. There was nothing wrong with the course, but the physical building really put me off. Needles to say, i declined my offer there depsite it being the best in the country for my course.
manisingh
where have you heard this from? and if this is true will graduate medical students be equivilant to students that intercalate?
No grad entry students will not be equivilant since their degrees are older - word that I've heard is that more recent, more relevant is better than older stuff.
Thanks for the replies everyone,
medicine certainly wont be the easiest thing and im planning plenty of work experience as this does seem to be a large factor and by the replies it looks like Imperial would be a great place to go and the intercalated course there seems good, that said ill certainly have to take a good look around there to know for sure if i like the place.
medicine certainly wont be the easiest thing and im planning plenty of work experience as this does seem to be a large factor and by the replies it looks like Imperial would be a great place to go and the intercalated course there seems good, that said ill certainly have to take a good look around there to know for sure if i like the place.
*titanium*
Have any of you been to Imperial college? I was there for an interveiw, as i applied there for Mechanical engineering. I did not like the idea of studying in London but when i saw the University i just didnt like what i saw. There was nothing wrong with the course, but the physical building really put me off. Needles to say, i declined my offer there depsite it being the best in the country for my course.
wikiwikiwildwildwest
You knocked it back because of the look of the building alone? Or was it the atmosphere of the whole place?
The university has a great reputation, it is a very good one. The staff there are fine aswell, they seem nice enough. Its just that i prefer open spaces and being in London it was all rather cramped up and 8 floors high. The reason i disliked it was the physical asspects more then anything else, and the fact that second year students on average have to travle 40 minutes each way to get to uni since there is no affordable housing near by.
The first thing that i noticed is that unlike campus based universities which have acers of open space around the buildings, which is nice. At imperial they didnt seem to have any of this.
*titanium*
Mate dont be picky with medicine my brother got 4 A's and was turned down in all 4 choices, a girl from school who also got 4 A's was accpeted at one place.
Theres 2 things you should relaise aobut medicine, they like work experince, you have little chance of getting in unless you have loads of relivent work experince. They are apprntly not so interested in the odd day at a GP like my brother did, they want it to be a weekly comitment to show that you are commited to doing it on an on going basis.
The second thing is they love international students for their money, a guy a Know whos an international student got in to Bristol with B's.
Theres 2 things you should relaise aobut medicine, they like work experince, you have little chance of getting in unless you have loads of relivent work experince. They are apprntly not so interested in the odd day at a GP like my brother did, they want it to be a weekly comitment to show that you are commited to doing it on an on going basis.
The second thing is they love international students for their money, a guy a Know whos an international student got in to Bristol with B's.
In case you are thinking of following this chap's advice - don't.
Its your life and its a Uni you'll be staying at for 5 or 6 years, you can afford to be picky. Moreover, if you don't get in to any of the universities that you want to, then try again. Unis, as has been said, take a quota of overseas students - they're not competing for your places.
Having said that, I agree with the comment about regular work experience -it shows commitment.
Imperial should have just as much kudos as Oxbridge (maybe more as it doesn't operate on a clinical/pre-clinical structure). Nevertheless all universities should have the same level of medical teaching as all the others so getting a job in medicine after Imperial should be just as likely as from St. Andrew's. Of course the people who'll be hiring you will have their own notions as to which med schools are better than others but I doubt any will see Oxbridge as superior. (Which is why I applied to ICL instead)
Generally speaking, all med schools should be of a similar standard, and grads should know all that is necessary in order to be a competent doctor. Obv different med schools have different styles of teaching, with some more traditional, some intergrated, some PBL based etc etc... These are important to think about as you don't want to end up somewhere where you are not comfortable with the teaching style. In the same way you don't want to end up in a city or region that you don't like - you're going to spend 5 or 6 years there!
I think reputation is prob going to be way down the list in terms of deciding where to go. When applying for foundation jobs (ie junior doc jobs), it won't matter where u went to med school, altho if you for example u wish to work in London then you could write "I'd like to continue my med training in the same region and work in London as I went to a Imperial". The BSc thing is a whole new can of worms but the facts are - you do get a couple of extra marks on the foundation form, but not a lot! Plus other things like publications and having a decent academic record would count just as much, esp if ur considering going into academic medicine.
I think for med you have to consider location a little more. Clinical med is all about experiencing as many different cases as possible. I personally can't think of anywhere else better than London - a large and diverse population, with many tertiary/specialist centres. Also the SAF building is quite tasty
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I think reputation is prob going to be way down the list in terms of deciding where to go. When applying for foundation jobs (ie junior doc jobs), it won't matter where u went to med school, altho if you for example u wish to work in London then you could write "I'd like to continue my med training in the same region and work in London as I went to a Imperial". The BSc thing is a whole new can of worms but the facts are - you do get a couple of extra marks on the foundation form, but not a lot! Plus other things like publications and having a decent academic record would count just as much, esp if ur considering going into academic medicine.
*titanium*
I did not like the idea of studying in London but when i saw the University i just didnt like what i saw. There was nothing wrong with the course, but the physical building really put me off. Needles to say, i declined my offer there depsite it being the best in the country for my course.
I think for med you have to consider location a little more. Clinical med is all about experiencing as many different cases as possible. I personally can't think of anywhere else better than London - a large and diverse population, with many tertiary/specialist centres. Also the SAF building is quite tasty
!
This is how I see it. Imperial has missed out on a redevelopment. There was going to be a new medschool/hostital at Paddington basin but it's gonna be apartments and offices instead. If it had gone through it would have been very high class - Papworth where they did the first UK heart transplants is part of the group and St. mary's Paddington where you work has 'The Lindo Wing' which being on the direct rail line from Windsor is the Royal Hospital.
On Oxford, it's very differnt from Cambridge. Thirty years ago and more if you did meds at Oxbridge you did yer clins at Imperial or UCL or Barts. Now if you do mes at Cambridge you do yer clins in a GP surgery in Ipswich. There are only 140 places to med at Oxford and only half of the people completing pre-clins do their clins at Oxford. The rest do them at Cambridge or London.
This is a major change. You get in to med school to do pre-clins. You have to apply all over again to get a clinical placement.
You can't transfer TO Oxford or Imperial for clins. You can transfer to Cambridge or King's.King's is Guy's and Thomas' So Whereever you go you aren't necessarily there for 5 or 6 years.
This is not a definitiver list you have to do yer own research.
On Oxford, it's very differnt from Cambridge. Thirty years ago and more if you did meds at Oxbridge you did yer clins at Imperial or UCL or Barts. Now if you do mes at Cambridge you do yer clins in a GP surgery in Ipswich. There are only 140 places to med at Oxford and only half of the people completing pre-clins do their clins at Oxford. The rest do them at Cambridge or London.
This is a major change. You get in to med school to do pre-clins. You have to apply all over again to get a clinical placement.
You can't transfer TO Oxford or Imperial for clins. You can transfer to Cambridge or King's.King's is Guy's and Thomas' So Whereever you go you aren't necessarily there for 5 or 6 years.
This is not a definitiver list you have to do yer own research.
If you do preclins at Imperial they are not in Praed Street where St' mary's is. They are in a steel and glass box in the car park of The Natural History Museum or one of those museums in South Kensington.
SO the question is Do you want to do yer clins at St. Mary's, Paddington? If you do then you gotta do yer clins at imperial or Oxford - maybe Cambridge.
If you want Barts... well you get the picture you want to be looking at what teaching hospital you want to do your clins in and find out where they take students from.
SO the question is Do you want to do yer clins at St. Mary's, Paddington? If you do then you gotta do yer clins at imperial or Oxford - maybe Cambridge.
If you want Barts... well you get the picture you want to be looking at what teaching hospital you want to do your clins in and find out where they take students from.
Danby
If you do preclins at Imperial they are not in Praed Street where St' mary's is. They are in a steel and glass box in the car park of The Natural History Museum or one of those museums in South Kensington.
That's a bit harsh! OK so the South Ken campus may not be that nice, but its being redeveloped with lotsa nice shiny new buildings as well as new halls. And the Sir Alexander Flemming buidling is lovely, airy and bright
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