Opening up about "worthless degrees" and their detrimental effects - STEM

You just called Psychology a mickey mouse degree... Do you even know what psychology is? Tell me exactly, how Psychology is a mickey mouse degree?


So you don't think that the treatment of any mental health disease is important either? Or do you think a tablet is more important? You don't think Alzheimer's is worthy of research? You don't think any neuro-degenerative disease is important? Sure, you don't think the cognitive, neurobiological effects of having a stroke are worthy to be researched? You don't think perception such as vision and hearing are worthy of consideration? Perhaps you don't think disorders such as manic depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia exist? Perhaps we should just ignore brain damage completely? Shall we just ignore cortical-blindness? Visual aphasia? Perhaps we should just ignore childhood developmental disorders? Shall we just not bother with therapy for helping people come to terms with terminal illness, abuse etc. Let's just not bother with the development of medication for those suffering from depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia, addiction etc. **** SSRI's, they aren't worthy. Perhaps we should just ignore research into child cognitive, emotional and academic development, because it has no effect on our education, or social care system whatsoever does it?

By essential saying Psychology is a pointless, mickey mouse degree, you've basically said all of the above. You've grossly underestimated psychology there. I don't think you quite realise how much psychology is used in your life. What persuaded you to use a certain product? Psychology had a hand in that. Do you know the electoral campaigns in the next election? A nice big chunk of politcal psychology is used in that, persuading you who to vote for. Do you think there are no male psychologists? What a joke.


It's people like you who'd still have men suffering from PTSD from the war being crticised as being weak minded. It's people with your mindset who'd see people going to therapy as failures in life.


So closed-minded, shame on you.

no ones stopping a sociologist from becoming an entrepreneur.

There is no academic course that can teach you to be one. Most of them are school dropouts.

Tbf the vast majority of millionaires and billionaires do have university degrees, a small number don't (or dropped out) and only a tiny percentage dropped out of school

You just called Psychology a mickey mouse degree... Do you even know what psychology is? Tell me exactly, how Psychology is a mickey mouse degree?


So you don't think that the treatment of any mental health disease is important either? Or do you think a tablet is more important? You don't think Alzheimer's is worthy of research? You don't think any neuro-degenerative disease is important? Sure, you don't think the cognitive, neurobiological effects of having a stroke are worthy to be researched? You don't think perception such as vision and hearing are worthy of consideration? Perhaps you don't think disorders such as manic depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia exist? Perhaps we should just ignore brain damage completely? Shall we just ignore cortical-blindness? Visual aphasia? Perhaps we should just ignore childhood developmental disorders? Shall we just not bother with therapy for helping people come to terms with terminal illness, abuse etc. Let's just not bother with the development of medication for those suffering from depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia, addiction etc. **** SSRI's, they aren't worthy. Forget about Autism, and Down Syndrom, and Pervasive Development Disorder, they aren't worthy of study. Perhaps we should just ignore research into child cognitive, emotional and academic development, because it has no effect on our education, or social care system whatsoever does it?

By essential saying Psychology is a pointless, mickey mouse degree, you've basically said all of the above shouldn't even be considered. Without psychology, they we wouldn't even have a word for those. You've grossly underestimated psychology there. I don't think you quite realise how much psychology is used in your life. What persuaded you to use a certain product? Psychology had a hand in that. Do you know the electoral campaigns in the next election? A nice big chunk of politcal psychology is used in that, persuading you who to vote for. Do you think there are no male psychologists? What a joke.


It's people like you who'd still have men suffering from PTSD from the war being crticised as being weak minded. It's people with your mindset who'd see people going to therapy as failures in life.


So closed-minded, shame on you.



Same goes for you buddy, read above if you care to broaden your narrow horizon. I do psychology, with the aim of working with Autism. Come at me bro.

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It's so important that we stop telling our youth to "study what they love" or "follow your dreams" - People are not going to pay you to follow your dreams. Worthless degrees are degrees that lead to low employment prospects - especially outside academia.

An example of a few:


Why are these degrees "worthless"? Well it's simple - they don't provide much for society (except research) and do not demonstrate skills employers are looking for. It's all about supply and demand - people want petrol, ipods, phones, laptops, but no-one wants to be petroleum engineers, electrical engineers or computer scientists!

It's Mickey Mouse in the sense that 90% of people will end up in dead end, unrelated jobs, make no money and contribute close to nothing to society, not while using their degree anyway (that they will probably never pay back). How many psychologist graduates do you think will amount to anything in the field ? Only 2-3% actually become psychologists. It's like saying media studies or film are great degrees because you might end up the next bbc anchor or blockbuster director? When in reality your chance is close to 1%, if that. The average STEM graduate will earn a lot more money and also contribute to society through his work and/or taxes paid while using his degree and paying back his loans.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2010/feb/13/degree-in-pyschology-job-options

if you have an ology you are a soyentist

English- So authors, playwrights and screen writers don't make good amounts of money if they're good at their job?

Relgious studies- So the majority of the human race isn't religious? Understanding the histories and cultures of countries of differing religions isn't useful in a world where a significant portion of violence in religiously motivated.

Womens studies- So women aren't treated as second class citizens in significant regions of the globe? Womens rights movements and feminists aren't a significant political lobby?

History- so understanding the social impacts of the worlds history and how it shapes current borders and attitudes isn't important?

Sociology- Understanding how people behave in a world that is increasingly better connected isn't valuable?

Media- Because television, is this minor thing that noones really heard of.

Do you ever read a novel, watch a film, go to a museum? That is why we need these degrees.

Biology? Neurobiology? Bull ****e.

hmmm you are not being tolerant

I'm the one being tolerant and you aren't You just disregarded biology etc, and I'm saying they are worthwhile? How is that intolerant?

No. I believe people wrote books long before there were literature degrees, and made films long before media studies degrees. Museums I will give you - we probably do need some archaeologists, historians, and anthropologists to inform us about the past. But the issue is supply and demand. We need very few, and very many are being educated.

What is with this forum and their failure to understand that people do what they want to do? If people end up in bad jobs with their "useless" degree choices then so be it. Besides, not all humanities subjects are useless (such as History) due the transferrable skills they provide in a degree.

Then you don't know what a mickey mouse degree is mate. Because you're basically saying, if a physics degree was oversubscribed, it'd become a mickey mouse degree? Poor grasp on semantics.

It's not us Psychologists fault that it is massively oversubscribed, what can we say? It's a popular subject, with attractive people. Considering the vast amount of Psychology undergrads, the small % of postgrads (although much higher than your estimation) is still a lot.

do you have an ology ?

I have an ology.

zoology.

No idea what the employment prospects are like but seriously how does Biology have poor employment prospects? Every single person bar two zoologists (who made the mistake of obsessing over Africa with their work experience) of my undergrad Biology cohort that I have on facebook either has a job, internship or went onto a PhD/Masters than PhD. That's over 100 people.

that is marvellous. so do you work with the elephants ?

Psychology as a discipline is not useless. Psychology as a degree is, for the vast majority of graduates. A MM degree is one that doesn't help you get a proper job and you end up serving coffee at Costa. Physics would never be oversubscribed because very few people are able to do it. Why do you think psychology type degrees are so popular? Because they're hard? Do you think as many people would be able get a degree in physics?

http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-major/

The physics students score much higher on average even in the verbal test (not to mention destroy them in the math one). Their IQ is 20 points higher. The average psychology student is a short bus passenger compared to the average physics student and wouldn't complete a physics degree in 100 years. There would never be too many students in physics because mediocre people can't handle it. And even if there were, they would be regarded as very employable since it's one of the toughest courses you could apply for so the person is naturally gifted.

As for the number of psychologists, it's in the Guardian link I gave you . 18% out of 13.9%. You do the math, ''mate''.