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Eurovision voting 'controversy' - public and juries split

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Dez
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Original post by ClickItBack
Yeah, and that's why I didn't make the OP anything to do with Conchita. :wink: She deserves her win since she got the televotes; and my point is, Poland deserved a lot better, because they got the televotes.


The juries are generally a useful filter for crap and bias. I think in this instance they definitely did their job on the former item. For an act to win Eurovision, it should be able to impress professionals, as well as the general public. Just don't try and apply the same logic to general elections and all will be fine.

Original post by Aivicore
If you care about who actually wins at Eurovision, you're doing it wrong.


Also this. Entertainment is far more important than fairness, so it's worth keeping some perspective here. :smile:
Original post by Drewski
They got the televotes because people were watching on mute.

It deserved no points so rightfully got no points. The song was crap. And since it's the Eurovision Song Contest, it's right that it's judged on those merits.

Or in Poland's case, it's lack of merits.


Sure. And if we were all listening blind, Spain or the Netherlands would probably have won, and Conchita would have finished in the top half - probably even top five - but not won. Vocal ability alone is clearly not the only judging criteria.

Look, the Polish song was atrocious, I agree with that. But saying a song 'deserves' X votes is just your opinion. There's been a number of X Factor winners who I've thought were horrendous, but that's who the majority backed at the end of the day.
Original post by ClickItBack
Sure. And if we were all listening blind, Spain or the Netherlands would probably have won, and Conchita would have finished in the top half - probably even top five - but not won. Vocal ability alone is clearly not the only judging criteria.

Look, the Polish song was atrocious, I agree with that. But saying a song 'deserves' X votes is just your opinion. There's been a number of X Factor winners who I've thought were horrendous, but that's who the majority backed at the end of the day.


Except that people go into the X Factor knowing it's a fully public vote.

The ESC has made no secret of the fact that it's split between a jury and the phone votes, nor kept secret how the two are combined.

Allowing the ****ty media hyperbole of the use of the word 'controversy' to perpetuate is just lazy. This is not remotely a controversy. It's barely a thing.
Original post by yo radical one
This is Europe, the most progressive place on Earth

Did you expect good-looking, straight, cis-gendered people, who conform to gender-normal dress-codes to be allowed to win?


Their song was a lot ****ter than Conchita's though.
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Equally, you have to impress the professionals in order to get into the public vote with X factor.
Original post by Dez
The juries are generally a useful filter for crap and bias. I think in this instance they definitely did their job on the former item. For an act to win Eurovision, it should be able to impress professionals, as well as the general public. Just don't try and apply the same logic to general elections and all will be fine.



Also this. Entertainment is far more important than fairness, so it's worth keeping some perspective here. :smile:


That's a fair standpoint to take; I guess I just prefer the idea of the winner being entirely public-driven, even if it does occasionally throw up stuff that connoisseurs would consider trashy :tongue:.

And yeah, my OP did specifically say 'it's just a singing contest and no big deal in the grand scheme of things'. Part of me is rather amused that the media have portrayed it in the way it has . . . but also not terribly surprised.

Original post by Drewski
Except that people go into the X Factor knowing it's a fully public vote.

The ESC has made no secret of the fact that it's split between a jury and the phone votes, nor kept secret how the two are combined.

Allowing the ****ty media hyperbole of the use of the word 'controversy' to perpetuate is just lazy. This is not remotely a controversy. It's barely a thing.


Hey, I don't disagree with it not being a big deal. That's why I put the word 'controversy' in scare quotes in the title.

Note from the OP that my main beef with the system is that it makes me less inclined to bother voting.
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Everybody knows that for years it's been a political game, why else would Eastern European states give Russia 12 points year on year? And I wonder how many people voted for Austria so as to try to not appear transphobic, or whatever the relevant one is, but not realising it's just as incorrect to vote for them purely on that basis.
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Original post by ClickItBack
That's a fair standpoint to take; I guess I just prefer the idea of the winner being entirely public-driven, even if it does occasionally throw up stuff that connoisseurs would consider trashy :tongue:.

And yeah, my OP did specifically say 'it's just a singing contest and no big deal in the grand scheme of things'. Part of me is rather amused that the media have portrayed it in the way it has . . . but also not terribly surprised.



Hey, I don't disagree with it not being a big deal. That's why I put the word 'controversy' in scare quotes in the title.

Note from the OP that my main beef with the system is that it makes me less inclined to bother voting.


There's a certain irony that the use of the word "controversy" is now stirring up controversy. :p:
I don't think Conchita sang bad at all. Her song was pretty good and definitely much better than Poland's. I'm sure she would still have ranked within the top 5 in the competition without being a drag act. So what, if the juries hearts and Europe were melted enough by her daring contradiction to the social norms to crown her the winner. I didn't think her song was only inspiring to LGBT people, I felt that Conchita was telling everyone if she could Rise like a Phoenix and be proud, then anyone else can do it against whatever challenges. I don't think anybody could argue that Poland's song had any special message accept of-course to increase client numbers for Slavic prostitutes.
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Does anybody the split for the Ukraine vote- they gave Russia 4 points on the night overall but what was the split, I assume the jury would have given them a very low ranking so how high was the public vote for Russia?
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Original post by Ace123
Does anybody the split for the Ukraine vote- they gave Russia 4 points on the night overall but what was the split, I assume the jury would have given them a very low ranking so how high was the public vote for Russia?


Televote placed them 3rd, Jury said 10th: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=UA

Not hugely surprising. 10th seems reasonably fair, especially compared to some of the more obvious voting biases you can find trawling through the results pages. Obviously the televote is always going to contain a bit of bias with so many Russian nationals skewing the ratings. :smile:
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Original post by Dez
Televote placed them 3rd, Jury said 10th: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=UA

Not hugely surprising. 10th seems reasonably fair, especially compared to some of the more obvious voting biases you can find trawling through the results pages. Obviously the televote is always going to contain a bit of bias with so many Russian nationals skewing the ratings. :smile:


very interesting Ukraine people voting placed them 3rd
Original post by Kitty Pimms
That's not what her official Eurovision page says...

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/multimedia/photos?gal=99053


Original post by Aula
Everything I've found online suggests that Conchita Wurst is an act :dontknow:


After they didn't get any points from us, I regretted not voting for them :sad:


Original post by ClickItBack
No, I believe she's a drag artist and doesn't identify as female when out of character. Some media outlets may have let that distinction blur a bit for the purpose of their editorial message, though :wink:.


Original post by physicsbook
Conchita is Tom's drag persona and when in drag they take on female pronouns but when not in drag Tom takes on gender neutral pronouns.




Oh!! Okay. It would've been better if he was a transgender, it kinda spoils things now.
Original post by Dez
Stuff like this is exactly why the juries exist. Poland's act was utterly terrible, and if it wasn't for the sleazy soft porn-esque posing they did on stage nobody would've voted for them at all. Cheap and tacky acts should not be allowed to win Eurovision in my opinion, it's supposed to be a music contest after all.


So what? More people wanted them to win, so they should win.

I bet on Iceland as they seemed popular with people on Twitter. If I'd have known it was a 50/50 vote I'd not have bothered :sigh:
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