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Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing? - Mk II

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So, after 18 months of this debate, opinion polls still remain broadly the same.

When you read the papers, you do actually understand what the words mean ?

Hahahahaha. You tried to be funny!
Even though I gave you figures of a poll conducted in the past week and gave you a link to the raw results.

But, you are the only person that seriously believes the poll gap isn't narrowing.

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Reply 21

L i b

Original post by babybuntin

l'm afraid it's not from polls. everyone knows you never rely on poll figures

So if you reject polling as a measure of popular voting attitudes, what method are you using to come to your conclusions?

Reply 22

Boab

Original post by Good bloke

Perhaps you can explain the relevance of a poll of people born in Scotland. The referendum has a wider constituency, including people living in Scotland, no matter where they were born. I really don't see the relevance of the views of some arbitrary subgroup.

I agree.

Countering a claim made by MS. Hard to keep relevance involved!

Reply 23

Boab

Original post by L i b

It's racist to say that someone who isn't born in a country can't be considered one of the people of that country. That's fairly straightforward - that's what I said you were suggesting, and you didn't dispute it.

Hmmmm. Pretty sure I did. But you keep calling people racists if it makes you feel better!

Reply 24

Midlander

Could the Yes voters here explain why they think Scotland puts in more than it receives?

Reply 25

MatureStudent36

Original post by Boab

I agree.

Countering a claim made by MS. Hard to keep relevance involved!

You've cherry picked data again.

If it keeps you happy, continue to have a blinkered approach on life. But the media is reporting what's really going on. A slight downturn in support for yes. A poll conducted on behalf of the SNP by panelbase that always seems to be biased.

http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/panelbase-bans-new-members-from-independence-polls-1-3080830

And no dramatic change in polling for a few years.

Reply 26

babybuntin

Original post by L i b

So if you reject polling as a measure of popular voting attitudes, what method are you using to come to your conclusions?

polls are not always reliable.

Reply 27

L i b

Original post by babybuntin

polls are not always reliable.

I agree, but I ask again: what method are you using to come to your conclusions?

Reply 28

babybuntin

Original post by L i b

I agree, but I ask again: what method are you using to come to your conclusions?

people's attitudes are changing. l must say, l myself have been quite surprised at some of my absolutely NOT friends sudden swing to a YES.

wonder what is bringing about the sudden change.

Reply 29

MatureStudent36

Original post by babybuntin

people's attitudes are changing. l must say, l myself have been quite surprised at some of my absolutely NOT friends sudden swing to a YES.

wonder what is bringing about the sudden change.

And yet the opinion polls aren't showing any such significant change.

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Reply 30

Midlander

Original post by babybuntin

people's attitudes are changing. l must say, l myself have been quite surprised at some of my absolutely NOT friends sudden swing to a YES.

wonder what is bringing about the sudden change.

Anecdotal evidence does not reliable evidence make.

Reply 31

babybuntin

Original post by MatureStudent36

And yet the opinion polls aren't showing any such significant change.

that's probably because you don't live here.

Reply 32

babybuntin

Boab,

if you ever come across this so called plea which Cameron apparently made to the people of Scotland given at the Olympic park could you send me the link.

l myself haven't seen this but I've heard about it but if it will make me greet don't send it lol
cos my mind is made up and l'm not changing it.

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Reply 33

L i b

Original post by babybuntin

people's attitudes are changing. l must say, l myself have been quite surprised at some of my absolutely NOT friends sudden swing to a YES.

wonder what is bringing about the sudden change.

So, having rejected the value of polling, you're saying the method you're basing your views on voting projections is... your friends?

Original post by MatureStudent36

And yet the opinion polls aren't showing any such significant change.

She doesn't believe in opinion polls.

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Reply 34

Smack

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Original post by babybuntin

people's attitudes are changing. l must say, l myself have been quite surprised at some of my absolutely NOT friends sudden swing to a YES.

Must say, almost everyone I know and have discussed this with have been very strongly No.

Don't the recent round-up of opinion polls show No starting to pull away again?

Reply 35

babybuntin

Original post by L i b

So, having rejected the value of polling, you're saying the method you're basing your views on voting projections is... your friends?

as l said already, peoples attitudes are changing, friends, strangers, students in cinemas giving the middle finger to the screen when the lets stay together advert comes on..

LOTS of things l'm seeing changing but unlike you l say nothing cos it's not my business , you're sitting at a computer out of touch.

Reply 36

babybuntin

Original post by Smack

Must say, almost everyone I know and have discussed this with have been very strongly No.

Don't the recent round-up of opinion polls show No starting to pull away again?

well that's nice that's what a vote is all about personal choice.

Reply 37

Midlander

Original post by babybuntin

oh l'm always wary of people who visit forums if they are make out to be..

How do you know l'm Scottish born and breed and still living here?? you don't
l could be here to wind you up.. How do you know if l'm really from Scotland?