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c2 - trig identities

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Original post by Elmi
The method Braineveriit has posted is an insult to maths. You cannot open the bracket and solve for theta.

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I didn't realise that the question was only C2 level and that you could just pick up a calculator.,. but here is how my method works
sin(θ+π3)=tanπ6sinθcosπ3+cosθsinπ3=tanπ6\sin(\theta+\frac{\pi}{3})=\tan \frac{\pi}{6}\Rightarrow \sin\theta \cos\frac{\pi}{3}+\cos\theta \sin\frac{\pi}{3}=\tan\frac{\pi}{6}
So 12sinθ+32cosθ=13 \frac{1}{2} \sin \theta +\frac{\sqrt 3}{2}\cos \theta=\frac{1}{\sqrt 3}
Hence, 3sinθ+3cosθ=223sin(θ+α)=2\sqrt3 \sin\theta+3\cos \theta=2 \Rightarrow 2\sqrt3\sin(\theta+\alpha)=2
where α=tan13\alpha=\tan^{-1}\sqrt 3
From which θ+60o=sin113=35.3o or 144.7o\theta+60^o=\sin^{-1} \frac{1}{\sqrt 3}=35.3^o\ or\ 144.7^o
so θ=84.7o\theta=84.7^o
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Original post by Elmi
Sin(theta + pi/3) signifies a translation of pi/3 in the x-axis of the sine graph meaning that the graph shifts to the left. It is not an algebraic function.

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There is an addition formula for sin (and cos) which allows you to expand things like sin(A+B) in terms of sinA, cosA, sinB and cosB, so the method would work perfectly well!

In this case it's complete overkill because you can work out tan(pi/6) without a calculator and then just solve like a normal trig equation.
Reply 22
Original post by Cool-Light
expanding LHS gives me => sin theta + sin pi/3 = tan pi/6 - what now?


The rule is you should never expand sin,cos or tan because they are functions. you cant and shouldn't because that is a rule.
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Original post by kers123
The rule is you should never expand sin,cos or tan because they are functions. you cant and shouldn't because that is a rule.

That's not a very good reason for not being able to expand sin,cos or tan. (By "expand" you mean "sin(a+b) is not sin(a)+sin(b)".)

The actual reason why you can't expand sin, cos or tan is simply that it doesn't work. sin(π)+sin(π2)=0+1=1\sin(\pi) + \sin(\frac{\pi}{2}) = 0 + 1 = 1 but sin(π+π2)=sin(32π)=1\sin(\pi+\frac{\pi}{2}) = \sin(\frac{3}{2} \pi) = -1. There's no rule saying that it doesn't work - it just doesn't. It's like saying "you can't flap your arms and fly, that's a rule" - it's not really a rule, it just doesn't work.
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Original post by Smaug123
That's not a very good reason for not being able to expand sin,cos or tan. (By "expand" you mean "sin(a+b) is not sin(a)+sin(b)".)

The actual reason why you can't expand sin, cos or tan is simply that it doesn't work. sin(π)+sin(π2)=0+1=1\sin(\pi) + \sin(\frac{\pi}{2}) = 0 + 1 = 1 but sin(π+π2)=sin(32π)=1\sin(\pi+\frac{\pi}{2}) = \sin(\frac{3}{2} \pi) = -1. There's no rule saying that it doesn't work - it just doesn't. It's like saying "you can't flap your arms and fly, that's a rule" - it's not really a rule, it just doesn't work.


The rule tells we should not use it. It's wrong to use and that's how many students don't understand and lose marks in exams.
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Original post by kers123
The rule is you should never expand sin,cos or tan because they are functions. you cant and shouldn't because that is a rule.


That depends what you mean by "expand". There are perfectly good formulae that tell you how to expand sin(A+B), cos(A+B) and tan(A+B) in terms of other quantities.

What you're trying to say is that sin isn't a linear function i.e.

sin(A+B)sinA+sinBsin(A+B) \neq sin A + sin B
Reply 26
Original post by davros
That depends what you mean by "expand". There are perfectly good formulae that tell you how to expand sin(A+B), cos(A+B) and tan(A+B) in terms of other quantities.

What you're trying to say is that sin isn't a linear function i.e.

sin(A+B)sinA+sinBsin(A+B) \neq sin A + sin B


Exactly!

Examiner's cut out marks if they expand this way.

Students should not expand this way.

Instead she can use her calculator to get a value for tan ...
and solve normally
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Original post by kers123
Exactly!

Examiner's cut out marks if they expand this way.

Students should not expand this way.

Instead she can use her calculator to get a value for tan ...
and solve normally

I do think this is a strange way to think about maths. The reason you can't expand this way isn't that "examiners don't like it", it's that "it makes no sense".

Consider the following example: a student asserts that 5+5=6; you reply that if you do that then the examiners will dock marks, and there is a rule against saying "5+5=6". Yes, that's true, but it's not *why* you can't do 5+5=6 - the fact that examiners dock marks is a *symptom* of the fact that "5+5=6 is nonsense", not a cause.
tanpi/6 = root3/3

Solve for theta by first finding the principal angle: arcsin(root3/3)
Original post by Inevitable
tanpi/6 = root3/3

Solve for theta by first finding the principal angle: arcsin(root3/3)

You should put this into a separate thread, to save clogging this one up. In general, a new question should go in a new post.
Original post by Smaug123
You should put this into a separate thread, to save clogging this one up. In general, a new question should go in a new post.


My post is answering OP's question.
Original post by Inevitable
My post is answering OP's question.

Oh, my apologies - I didn't immediately see the connection, so I just assumed it was a new question.

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