"A Woman Needs a Man Like a Fish Needs a Bicycle." - Feminist Activist

I am really amazed at how much hypocrisy and lazy champagne socialism there is on this site, people making endless threads about social issues and injustices yet I bet they have never looked for voluntary work/charity/represented a society/even had a job themselves

Lol I was wondering too. We all know who'd win the most irrelevant post of the thread award.

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I am really amazed at how much hypocrisy and lazy champagne socialism there is on this site, people making endless threads about social issues and injustices yet I bet they have never looked for voluntary work/charity/represented a society/even had a job themselves

You're trying too hard.

Why can we not all just get along? I do not like the idea of Feminism, purely because, to me, it seems inherently hostile. Equality and Egalitarianism I am all for, but Feminism just disillusions me. Perhaps, this is unfair and purely due to hostile feminists but that is how I feel.

Perhaps, we could all just get along if we just got on with things. Treat everyone equally and just live your lives.

There is no reason why a women has to aim to have children. Plenty of couples never have children. There is no fundamental law that states everyone's main purpose in life is to have children.

If you are so caught up in the "purpose" of continuing the survival of the species then a single women who has a job is contributing to civilization that allows other people to have children. Most of your biological urges are often traps anyway. When your body tries to motivate you to have children it does not have your happiness in mind. The only thing it "cares" about is that you pass on your genes. That's it. Your happiness is only a by product if it is their at all. One possible set up is that women are just treated as baby factories, who live in poverty with far to many children, many die but at least two make it to make carry on the process. What kind of life is that? Humans have a brain capable of allowing us to master our own destiny so we should use it.

A women does not fundamentally need a man just like a man does not fundamentally need a women. You can still survive on your own if you want. It's all utterly meaningless in the grand scheme of things anyway.

With that you are kind of propagating the notion that co-dependency is desirable. It isn't. Although I have to say that redferry does come across very unhealthy emotionally and co-dependency for her may eventually result in a suicide pact.

"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."

Or so we were told by Irina Dunn - an Australian feminist activist - and by Gloria Steinem, who popularised the statement..

Oh really?

Hmm. Let's see now.

Let us investigate the matter.

It is men who have produced the greatest works in all of the arts - literature, poetry, music, paintings, sculptures, films, plays, architecture etc. ...

It is men who have progressed most of our understanding in just about all areas to do with science, engineering and medicine - astronomy, chemistry, biochemistry, physics, geology, cosmology, mathematics, economics, geography, climatology, aeronautics, pharmacology, surgery, computer hardware, software etc etc etc etc ...

It is men who have built the houses, the bridges, the roads, the railways, the dams, the factories, the ships, the canals, the monuments, the airports, the churches, the offices, the tunnels, the engines, the industrial machinery etc. ...

It is men mostly who have worked in the factories, the furnaces, the sewers, the mines etc. ...

It is men mostly who have, rightly or wrongly, fought the wars, fought the crimes, fought the elements, fought the odds etc. ...

And it is men who have invented, discovered and created just about everything that has ever been invented, discovered or created.

So it seems to me that, while an individual woman might well need a man as much as a fish needs a bicycle, women, as a whole, need men just as much as a fish needs water.

In other words, women need men just to survive!

In fact, both men and women need men like a fish needs water.

The whole human race does.

As such, the more that men are disadvantaged, disorientated, dissuaded, demonised and discriminated against, and, hence, the more alienated and the more destructive that they become, so it is that the whole human race will pay a heavy price.

And yet for the past decade or so, we have seen various 'scientists' proclaiming hither and thither that men are becoming redundant, that their presence will soon no longer be required, that their faulty Y chromosome is going to disappear and that, in essence, they are merely parasites on women.

But look at the list above.

Would women ever do what men do?

Could women ever do what men do?

Would women even want to do what men do?

I suspect not, for the most part.

And yet one often hears western women proclaiming quite seriously that they are now "independent of men", and that they no longer need them.

The truth, however, is that they are still as dependent on men as they ever were.

For just about everything.

Why would men be on the planet if they were not needed? Everything is on the earth for a reason; plants animals etc. Men and women are completely different species. We have different structures, hormones and a different make-up. Therefore each gender is going to be better/worse at different things. Men are not skilled in child birth because they evidently don't have a uterus. Women are not as skilled as men at completing tasks which require the upmost physical body strength because we do not have as many hormones as men to do this. However, this is not to say that women cannot complete such tasks/jobs. In most fields of work, proving yourself guarantees your place in that area. Therefore, who's to say that a woman can't prove herself? A man and a woman may compete for the same job as a lumberjack, for example. The woman applying may have more physical strength than the man to do this, but both would need to prove themselves equally. Similarly, if two men were to compete for that job, then both would also need to prove themselves.

I don't think the point of the quote is to claim that men are redundant. It more means that an individual woman does not need a man to complete her as a person - she is an individual in her own right, regardless of her relationship status.

Well, women gave birth to all men throughout the ages. Name me a single man who has given birth to a man. Lets face it, women are essential.

Yes, I think I just latched onto the bit where it was talking about how women wouldn't want to do a mans job haha. Which I disagree with. However I also disagree with the idea that women don't need men. I for one would definitely not enjoy a world without men.

Name me a single woman who gave birth without male intervention (includes sperm)
We both need each other

You're trying too hard.

What do you mean?

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It looked to me like Riku was trying to beat him... I don't know.

Why did you quote me?

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