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Pure Maths MSc

Hi everyone, I am at a low ranked uni doing pure maths. It is a three year course.
I want to do a masters in pure maths and I was thinking about going to kings college.
I was wondering, why are Kings college entry requirements for pure maths so low? They say they will accept 2:2 and a third after passing the graduate diploma.
Their is a slight chance I may just miss out on a 2:1 this year.
All my pure maths modules are at a very high 2:1 or a 1st grade level. It is just my "application of the maths to the real world" modules i.e Operational research and decision support that are letting me down. I have failed a paper in each of them.
I would have liked to gone to ucl or imperial but I may miss out on 2:1.
Could I still persuade the unis that I am excelling my pure maths modules and that you only offer pure maths modules so I should excel in my masters?
Original post by Mathmatician
Hi everyone, I am at a low ranked uni doing pure maths. It is a three year course.
I want to do a masters in pure maths and I was thinking about going to kings college.
I was wondering, why are Kings college entry requirements for pure maths so low? They say they will accept 2:2 and a third after passing the graduate diploma.
Their is a slight chance I may just miss out on a 2:1 this year.
All my pure maths modules are at a very high 2:1 or a 1st grade level. It is just my "application of the maths to the real world" modules i.e Operational research and decision support that are letting me down. I have failed a paper in each of them.
I would have liked to gone to ucl or imperial but I may miss out on 2:1.
Could I still persuade the unis that I am excelling my pure maths modules and that you only offer pure maths modules so I should excel in my masters?



In general with maths and physics, taught masters at Kings college are generally below par in terms of the requirements mainly because of two reasons:

1.) Their reputation in mathematics is quite low COMPARED to its other degrees one can study there (Thats not to say Kings is bad, far from it, its just there are better ones, I dont think for general PG taught maths it would come in the top 10)

2.) Because of this "lower reputation", less people tend to apply and given its a maths MSc (generally speaking people do an MSc either to persue a PhD or wish to change to a different field from their undergraduate degree to help them with their career, say changing from engineering to accountancy), which means that the demand for these courses is low, so lowering them you could attract more students

If i was you, I would work hard at my exams which you have left to aim and achieve a 2:1. Believe me it can make a difference as most offer 2:1 for MSc in mathematics, I believe nottingham also offer 2:2 for their math courses. Speaking to them and emphasising them I doubt will have much impact but no harm in trying I suppose

My 2 Cent: If all doesnt go well and you get a 2:2 dont worry, if that did happen I would accept the Kings offer (If you have applied for them). I presume you are doing an MSc in maths to enhance your understanding for potentially a PhD? If so with a 2:2 you can chose your modules with more flexibility in your MSc and aim for a distinction, so with that regardless of a 2:1 your in good progress if you are pursuing for the PhD.
Original post by the greatest
In general with maths and physics, taught masters at Kings college are generally below par in terms of the requirements mainly because of two reasons:

1.) Their reputation in mathematics is quite low COMPARED to its other degrees one can study there (Thats not to say Kings is bad, far from it, its just there are better ones, I dont think for general PG taught maths it would come in the top 10)

2.) Because of this "lower reputation", less people tend to apply and given its a maths MSc (generally speaking people do an MSc either to persue a PhD or wish to change to a different field from their undergraduate degree to help them with their career, say changing from engineering to accountancy), which means that the demand for these courses is low, so lowering them you could attract more students

If i was you, I would work hard at my exams which you have left to aim and achieve a 2:1. Believe me it can make a difference as most offer 2:1 for MSc in mathematics, I believe nottingham also offer 2:2 for their math courses. Speaking to them and emphasising them I doubt will have much impact but no harm in trying I suppose

My 2 Cent: If all doesnt go well and you get a 2:2 dont worry, if that did happen I would accept the Kings offer (If you have applied for them). I presume you are doing an MSc in maths to enhance your understanding for potentially a PhD? If so with a 2:2 you can chose your modules with more flexibility in your MSc and aim for a distinction, so with that regardless of a 2:1 your in good progress if you are pursuing for the PhD.

Many thanks for your reply.
That is fair enough but for some reason I love kings and have always wanted to go their lol.

Did you mean to say "with a 2:1 you can choose your modules with more flexibility"?
This is my situation.
In my second year, currently, I have done extremely well in my pure maths modules and have gotten up to 90% in them.
It is two of the non pure modules which are dragging my marks heavily down. Next year we get to choose our modules so I will do all pure maths modules so I am hoping to come out with a solid first.
The way I can spin my story is that I can say I will do well at kings because I will be doing all pure maths modules and currently they are my strong points.

If I get a 2:1 then I may apply immediately when the applications open. If I get a 2:2 then I may wait until January/February until I have sat some modules in the third year to drag my self up to a first. Or I may wait until the deadline in July next year until I have my degree results.

Is pure maths really that uncompetitive? Kings only take in 30 people for msc maths, what do you reckon the acceptance rate is? Applications are STILL open for this year, they still have not been filled.
I suppose the fee also puts people off. It is 8 grand.
Original post by Mathmatician
Many thanks for your reply.
That is fair enough but for some reason I love kings and have always wanted to go their lol.

Did you mean to say "with a 2:1 you can choose your modules with more flexibility"?
This is my situation.
In my second year, currently, I have done extremely well in my pure maths modules and have gotten up to 90% in them.
It is two of the non pure modules which are dragging my marks heavily down. Next year we get to choose our modules so I will do all pure maths modules so I am hoping to come out with a solid first.
The way I can spin my story is that I can say I will do well at kings because I will be doing all pure maths modules and currently they are my strong points.

If I get a 2:1 then I may apply immediately when the applications open. If I get a 2:2 then I may wait until January/February until I have sat some modules in the third year to drag my self up to a first. Or I may wait until the deadline in July next year until I have my degree results.

Is pure maths really that uncompetitive? Kings only take in 30 people for msc maths, what do you reckon the acceptance rate is? Applications are STILL open for this year, they still have not been filled.
I suppose the fee also puts people off. It is 8 grand.


with a 2:1 your choice of different universities in the UK widen for postgraduate taught MSc in maths, which is definitely a good thing as different MSc courses tailor/specialise or emphasis the departments own strengths in certain fields, which you can chose depending on your interests. So more available the more chance you'll find the right MSc in math which fits what you enjoy the most.

From my understanding these days , MSc in mathematics in the UK are becoming less competitive and there is a loss in demand as well for it. Theoeretical Physics and of recent financial mathematics/Actuarial Science/Statistics of some sort have become really popular of MSc as these courses have the most math content of any MSc in the UK which is the most popular, cambridges Part III will always be popular but regarding the rest of the UK its decreasing. The costs like you mentioned are a part of the reason and quite frankly many people wishing to persue a PhD are doing so more easily with these MMath and MSci courses available as well as DTC (Doctoral training centres). With that being said since pure is very specialised I cant see much demand for this at all. Though in your case its a good thing as grade wise its works especially with that 2:1. Imperials courses are more varied and IMO a much better reputable maths department both for research and teaching than Kings, but thats no disrespect to Kings. What area of pure maths interests you the most?
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I've posted this before, but I think that success in pure mathematics, more than any other academic discipline, except maybe theoretical physics, requires a very high level of raw intelligence/ability and if you lack this then you can't really compensate through hard work alone like you can in many other fields (including applied math)

If you have a 2:2 (or even a 2:1 from a non elite place) then I think you really have to ask yourself whether you are good enough for a phd in pure math. And if you don't want to do a phd, why do the msc? It's not like pure math is especially employable compared to other math related fields like compsci/statistics/econ/etc
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Original post by poohat
I've posted this before, but I think that success in pure mathematics, more than any other academic discipline, except maybe theoretical physics, requires a very high level of raw intelligence/ability and if you lack this then you can't really compensate through hard work alone like you can in many other fields (including applied math)

If you have a 2:2 (or even a 2:1 from a non elite place) then I think you really have to ask yourself whether you are good enough for a phd in pure math. And if you don't want to do a phd, why do the msc? It's not like pure math is especially employable compared to other math related fields like compsci/statistics/econ/etc

I am getting 80-90% in pure maths modules. I am only doing badly in stats and decision etc..
You are right about raw intelligence.
I want to do pure maths msc because I really enjoy it. I understand about employability etc..
I advise you have a try for UCL because you will not regret even if you rejected...:smile:
Original post by patrick ye
I advise you have a try for UCL because you will not regret even if you rejected...:smile:

Ucl do not do pure maths. Do you mean imperial? The thing is even if I get a 2:2 I can argue all my pure maths modules are at 70-90%
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Original post by poohat
I've posted this before, but I think that success in pure mathematics, more than any other academic discipline, except maybe theoretical physics, requires a very high level of raw intelligence/ability and if you lack this then you can't really compensate through hard work alone like you can in many other fields (including applied math)

If you have a 2:2 (or even a 2:1 from a non elite place) then I think you really have to ask yourself whether you are good enough for a phd in pure math. And if you don't want to do a phd, why do the msc? It's not like pure math is especially employable compared to other math related fields like compsci/statistics/econ/etc



Are or have you done a PhD in any of the respect fields listed below? If so how have you found your time thus far/overall as a graduate student? reason being is I am enrolling onto a PhD programme for applied maths this september
Hey did you end up getting into kings for msc ??

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