Feminism Destroyed in One Article
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Original post by Jakebarker1605
So if someone say from Dubai, which is not a thirld world county by any stretch of the imagination, came over here and told you to sell your daughter for slavery or marriage. What would you do?
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Dubai is one of the most morally sick countries on Earth, but obviously anybody saying something like that has a screwed up sense of morality, whether they're from Dubai or London.
The point I was making is that the good ideas are generally the ones which Britain has upheld, whereas the bad ideas are the ones that some other countries have upheld (including Dubai).
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Original post by felamaslen
Dubai is one of the most morally sick countries on Earth, but obviously anybody saying something like that has a screwed up sense of morality, whether they're from Dubai or London.
The point I was making is that the good ideas are generally the ones which Britain has upheld, whereas the bad ideas are the ones that some other countries have upheld (including Dubai).
The point I was making is that the good ideas are generally the ones which Britain has upheld, whereas the bad ideas are the ones that some other countries have upheld (including Dubai).
I agree, but that's their way of life out their. They don't realise what they're doing is wrong, neither do the women realise that they have the ability to stick up for themselves. There needs to be a long concentrate campaign to stop this.
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Original post by Jakebarker1605
I agree, but that's their way of life out their. They don't realise what they're doing is wrong, neither do the women realise that they have the ability to stick up for themselves. There needs to be a long concentrate campaign to stop this.
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Sure, and by the way Britain used to be a backward cesspit too, a long time ago. That's what many people don't seem to realise; the good parts of the world have changed, and the rest needs to follow.
Original post by Dark Horse
Here is a brilliant read by Professor Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute. Even women are ashamed of this movement of fruit-bats and their spreading of fraudulent statistics and misinformation.
someone ban this guy for spamming this crap already
Original post by Jakebarker1605
I agree, but that's their way of life out their. They don't realise what they're doing is wrong, neither do the women realise that they have the ability to stick up for themselves. There needs to be a long concentrate campaign to stop this.
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Lol, women are not the worst treated people in Dubai.
Original post by Jakebarker1605
To them it's just life. That's why there isn't a feminism campaign out in them countries, because that's just life to them, they know what they expect.
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What? Can you define what you mean by "them countries"? Because as someone who's worked with them I can tell you there are pretty thriving feminist groups and movements in most Middle-East and African countries. A lot of women out there are taking great risks to fight for equality.
There is an issue with their voices not being heard over here, and that's something that modern intersectional feminism is trying to deal with. The idea that modern feminism is just a bunch of shouty misandrists is entirely misleading, and it's people like Dark Horse or Hoff Sommers who contribute to that.
The notion of "well, I haven't seen any campaigning for change in the Middle East so it doesn't exist" is a flawed one, since most people haven't looked for it, or moved in spheres where it comes up.
Original post by TurboCretin
Lol, women are not the worst treated people in Dubai.
lol didnt say they were lol
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Original post by Riku
Using a facetious emoticon does not change the fact that the majority of your threads of late have been on the belief that feminism is an outdated concept that has gone too far and needs to be laid to rest, despite the fact that it is quite obvious that women still lack equal status to men in many areas of the world.
Forget the rest of the world, in the UK where do yo think women are not of equal status to men in the eyes of the law? If you want to include the rest of the world do you think women's issues are more important than genocides, blood diamond kids, child soldiers etc?
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Original post by Jakebarker1605
I agree, but that's their way of life out their. They don't realise what they're doing is wrong, neither do the women realise that they have the ability to stick up for themselves. There needs to be a long concentrate campaign to stop this.
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A question for you and the poster above you who called Dubai one of the most morally sick countries, what type of behaviour are you referring to? Sorry to go off topic but as someone who lives in Dubai, the local women here have it pretty good...Dubai is by no means perfect but its treatment of woman is amazing when compared to its judicial issues or treatment of labourers.
Original post by Jakebarker1605
lol didnt say they were lol
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My point is that I don't think the reference to Dubai's 'moral sickness' in the response you previously quoted was referring just to the treatment of women there. You acted as though it was, which I found amusing.
With that said, if you're going to make fun of people's typography you really should learn the difference between 'there' and 'their'.
Whilst Women's rights are virtually non-existent in the Middle-East, it is wrong to suggest they are backward in comparison with the UK and USA.
More rape takes place in the UK than any other European countries and the numbers of rape victims in the USA is incredibly alarming.
Whilst they might not be able to drive, at least they are not as prone to rape as women in "developed" countries.
I'm not saying rape doesn't happen in the Middle East, it does - just no where near as much as the UK/USA/Sweeden.
Before you claim that these are bigger countries, the rape numbers statistics aren't per incidences but are calculated as a percentage considering the population.
Whilst there are alarming issues in the Middle East that need addressing about gender equality, there is a glaring issue about rape that needs addressing in these "civilised" first world countries you talk of.
More rape takes place in the UK than any other European countries and the numbers of rape victims in the USA is incredibly alarming.
Whilst they might not be able to drive, at least they are not as prone to rape as women in "developed" countries.
I'm not saying rape doesn't happen in the Middle East, it does - just no where near as much as the UK/USA/Sweeden.
Before you claim that these are bigger countries, the rape numbers statistics aren't per incidences but are calculated as a percentage considering the population.
Whilst there are alarming issues in the Middle East that need addressing about gender equality, there is a glaring issue about rape that needs addressing in these "civilised" first world countries you talk of.
Original post by kemosabe234
Whilst there are alarming issues in the Middle East that need addressing about gender equality, there is a glaring issue about rape that needs addressing in these "civilised" first world countries you talk of.
Without meaning to trivialise the seriousness of rape, the difference is about 10 in 100,000, and that can almost certainly be accounted for by:
1. The fact that many middle eastern countries severely restrict women's freedom to move around alone / with their hair showing (Is it really worth that? We could stop all child car crash casualties by keeping our children at home, but we don't.).
2. The fact that rape in those countries is probably very under-reported (less support for victims, more emphasis on 'dishonour').
I don't think this is grounds for denying we are far more 'civilised' (as regards women's rights, though of course it depends how you define civilised) than many of these countries.
Original post by kemosabe234
Whilst Women's rights are virtually non-existent in the Middle-East, it is wrong to suggest they are backward in comparison with the UK and USA.
More rape takes place in the UK than any other European countries and the numbers of rape victims in the USA is incredibly alarming.
Whilst they might not be able to drive, at least they are not as prone to rape as women in "developed" countries.
I'm not saying rape doesn't happen in the Middle East, it does - just no where near as much as the UK/USA/Sweeden.
Before you claim that these are bigger countries, the rape numbers statistics aren't per incidences but are calculated as a percentage considering the population.
Whilst there are alarming issues in the Middle East that need addressing about gender equality, there is a glaring issue about rape that needs addressing in these "civilised" first world countries you talk of.
More rape takes place in the UK than any other European countries and the numbers of rape victims in the USA is incredibly alarming.
Whilst they might not be able to drive, at least they are not as prone to rape as women in "developed" countries.
I'm not saying rape doesn't happen in the Middle East, it does - just no where near as much as the UK/USA/Sweeden.
Before you claim that these are bigger countries, the rape numbers statistics aren't per incidences but are calculated as a percentage considering the population.
Whilst there are alarming issues in the Middle East that need addressing about gender equality, there is a glaring issue about rape that needs addressing in these "civilised" first world countries you talk of.
People are going to read this and tell you that the low rate of rape is because the definition of rape is much tighter there (e.g. no such thing as marital rape) and also because society stigmatises rape reporting so much. Both of which are perfectly true.
However, it does not prove that the rate of actual rape in the Middle East is higher than in the West. All it tells us is that we cannot be certain what the incidence actually is. Personally, I would say that the incidence of non-marital rape at least is likely to be lower, due to prescriptions on women travelling by themselves and also because the incidence of general crime (violent assault, robbery, murder) is a lot lower in places like Dubai/Bahrain/Saudi than in the West.
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Original post by Octohedral
Without meaning to trivialise the seriousness of rape, the difference is about 10 in 100,000, and that can almost certainly be accounted for by:
1. The fact that many middle eastern countries severely restrict women's freedom to move around alone / with their hair showing (Is it really worth that? We could stop all child car crash casualties by keeping our children at home, but we don't.).
2. The fact that rape in those countries is probably very under-reported (less support for victims, more emphasis on 'dishonour').
I don't think this is grounds for denying we are far more 'civilised' (as regards women's rights, though of course it depends how you define civilised) than many of these countries.
1. The fact that many middle eastern countries severely restrict women's freedom to move around alone / with their hair showing (Is it really worth that? We could stop all child car crash casualties by keeping our children at home, but we don't.).
2. The fact that rape in those countries is probably very under-reported (less support for victims, more emphasis on 'dishonour').
I don't think this is grounds for denying we are far more 'civilised' (as regards women's rights, though of course it depends how you define civilised) than many of these countries.
Well timed post
.Is it really only a difference of 10 in 100,000 in the gulf countries?
Original post by kemosabe234
Whilst Women's rights are virtually non-existent in the Middle-East, it is wrong to suggest they are backward in comparison with the UK and USA.
More rape takes place in the UK than any other European countries and the numbers of rape victims in the USA is incredibly alarming.
Whilst they might not be able to drive, at least they are not as prone to rape as women in "developed" countries.
I'm not saying rape doesn't happen in the Middle East, it does - just no where near as much as the UK/USA/Sweeden.
Before you claim that these are bigger countries, the rape numbers statistics aren't per incidences but are calculated as a percentage considering the population.
Whilst there are alarming issues in the Middle East that need addressing about gender equality, there is a glaring issue about rape that needs addressing in these "civilised" first world countries you talk of.
More rape takes place in the UK than any other European countries and the numbers of rape victims in the USA is incredibly alarming.
Whilst they might not be able to drive, at least they are not as prone to rape as women in "developed" countries.
I'm not saying rape doesn't happen in the Middle East, it does - just no where near as much as the UK/USA/Sweeden.
Before you claim that these are bigger countries, the rape numbers statistics aren't per incidences but are calculated as a percentage considering the population.
Whilst there are alarming issues in the Middle East that need addressing about gender equality, there is a glaring issue about rape that needs addressing in these "civilised" first world countries you talk of.
How do you know?
Original post by ClickItBack
Well timed post .
Is it really only a difference of 10 in 100,000 in the gulf countries?
.Is it really only a difference of 10 in 100,000 in the gulf countries?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Rape_statistics_by_country
Actually, having looked at the statistics, that's a bit misleading - it's the difference between 5 per 100,000, and 20 per 100,000, which is pretty big. I take it back.
However, given that girls have been prosecuted for adultery after being raped, I don't think we can draw any conclusions in either direction for this, and I still don't think better statistics should come at the expense of the kinds of loss of freedom implied here. Perhaps a better study needs to be done.
Original post by Dark Horse
Here is a brilliant read by Professor Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute. Even women are ashamed of this movement of fruit-bats and their spreading of fraudulent statistics and misinformation.
At its most charitable, the following arguments can be distilled from that polemic: (i) someone called me something; (ii) one self-describing feminist musicologist argued that part of the classical canon was gendered; (iii) second-wave feminism was primarily concerned with formal material and legal sexual equality; (iv) an unattributed statistic is wrong (80% of girls sexually harassed at school); (v) women in the third-world are worse off.
(i), (ii) and (iv) all infer from individual acts of so-called feminists to the falsity of contemporary feminism simpliciter; moreover, (i) is an ad hominem, and (iv) doesn't even attribute the statistic to anyone.
(iii) states a fact not an argument for or against the position imputed to the author here (i.e. that feminism had a certain set of concerns during part of the late twentieth century). This doesn't confront the terms of third-wave feminism, i.e. the linguistic turn, philosophy of language, critical theory, post-modernism. It also ignores very many distinctly contemporary feminists - that is to say, drawing from the aforementioned methodologies - bridging this gap. Nancy Fraser's entire corpus, to name but one prominent feminist and critical theorist, turns on reconciling material and ideational issues of gender.
(v) again states a fact not an argument, but is perhaps the most promising assertion. That being said, this extremely complex issue is not unpacked in the slightest, i.e. there is a huge literature on global distributive justice developed over the last twenty years in Anglo-American political philosophy untouched here. Suffice it to say that, absent the author being a wholesale utilitarian committing the entirety of their energies and income to aiding the developing world, this appears disingenuous. Very few people think that we are morally obliged to give our entire selves to aiding the developing world, to the complete neglect of domestic issues.
In short: there are no arguments here.
Original post by TurboCretin
How do you know?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
Everyone's been quick to acknowledge what rape entails in the Middle East, fair enough.
But no one has engaged with the high level of rape in the UK and such countries like the USA. More needs to be done as this is a legitimate and very serious.
The statistics on rape in the UK also shows the subjugation and mistreatment of women in Western countries. Although the lack of female voice in the middle east is abhorrent, we should prioritise the issue of rape in the UK and ensuring there is gender equality in our country.
But no one has engaged with the high level of rape in the UK and such countries like the USA. More needs to be done as this is a legitimate and very serious.
The statistics on rape in the UK also shows the subjugation and mistreatment of women in Western countries. Although the lack of female voice in the middle east is abhorrent, we should prioritise the issue of rape in the UK and ensuring there is gender equality in our country.
Original post by kemosabe234
Everyone's been quick to acknowledge what rape entails in the Middle East, fair enough.
But no one has engaged with the high level of rape in the UK and such countries like the USA. More needs to be done as this is a legitimate and very serious.
The statistics on rape in the UK also shows the subjugation and mistreatment of women in Western countries. Although the lack of female voice in the middle east is abhorrent, we should prioritise the issue of rape in the UK and ensuring there is gender equality in our country.
But no one has engaged with the high level of rape in the UK and such countries like the USA. More needs to be done as this is a legitimate and very serious.
The statistics on rape in the UK also shows the subjugation and mistreatment of women in Western countries. Although the lack of female voice in the middle east is abhorrent, we should prioritise the issue of rape in the UK and ensuring there is gender equality in our country.
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