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Original post by kelefi

what are the highest paying jobs in medicine (with a high pay relatively early on)

what are other high playing jobs and what is the annual salary? e.g. investment baking?

thanks!

As my lovely GP once said in reply to me telling him he could earn double what he earns in the UK working in the US. He replied "I never became a doctor for the pay check, helping people is the greatest reward of all. In my years of practice, its usually the rich that come to me asking for anti-depressants than the poor."
Original post by zxh800
Thankfully, that's not quite how tax works. You are only taxed the higher percentage on income earned above each respective threshold. So, a tax of 50% for people who earn over 100k is actually a tax on all earnings above 100k. For the first 100k an individual who earns 100k and another who earns 150k are taxed the same, so they are left with the same amount of money. Assuming say that this figure was 75k. The 50% tax on earnings above 100k will mean the guy earning 150k will only get 25k of the extra 50k he earns. So, overall the lower earner will have 75k and the higher earner will earn 100k. So, it's always better to earn more, higher taxes for higher incomes just reduce the differential.


Overall the tax excluding student loans is 90,141.72
Overall the tax including student loans is 78,163.72

So if we took into account student loans, it'd be very close to 75k for a 150k income.
Reply 22
realistically (including FY1 etc.) what would my pay be after 4 years? (assuming the first 2 are FYs)
I will advise you now, if pay is a large focus for you in a career, you wont survive being a doctor.

The career is very tough, constant pressure and education takes for years.

A study in the US found 90% of doctors wouldn't recommend their career.

Only enter medicine if you have a very very very deep passion for helping people and a love for problem solving. If pay is one of the main things that attracts you about the job, even if you get into medical school you'll probably find after a few years it wasn't what you expected and you can't turn back.

Want good pay without the pressures of being a doctor? Go into banking.
Original post by slg60
There is not point in criticizing if you aren't going to try to help. :smile:


I helped indirectly. The way I phrased it gives a strong implication that the OP's naivete is a problem. And now that the OP has an idea of what the problem is...
Original post by kelefi
realistically (including FY1 etc.) what would my pay be after 4 years? (assuming the first 2 are FYs)


Honestly - if you are able to get a training post in the UK it would be about 35K 4 years in.
Reply 26
this is what is wrong with medicine nowadays. In the old days people wanted to become doctors because they cared for the people and they loved biology. That brought us advancement and research but the likes of this guy and a huge proportion of others are only in for the money. God save our NHS.
Reply 27
you cannot say that "the likes of me" will not be beneficial.

just because money plays a factor means that i am useless?
it means that i do not care for the people?
it means that i do not care for biology?
you think i cannot advance research?

God should save the NHS with a thought process like yours....

only due to the unstable economies is money such a big factor, you have absolutely no idea how much i love biology and how compassionate I am, and you cannot judge me over a small selection of sstatements on an online forum on a single thread!

the amount that i disagree with your stupid idiotic statement cannot be expressed, all I want to say is be less judgmental without having ANY IDEA WHATSOEVER what kind of person I am in real life!

i do care for people and have a deep passion for biology, only that money is also important to me, the only reason i justify myself is so that people dont make rash judgements and stupid statements such as you. I never get this annoyed or angry, but your statement is insulting and incorrect. just because money plays a factor doesnt mean that I do not care for the people and do not love biology.

moreover, even if someone did not love biology, if they were skilled enough and money was a good enough incentive for said person they would be able to bring forth equal advancements in research and more!

for all those ****** like arminb, i'd like to say that as we progress through economic stages and life, the human race will have different priorities but just because of those priorities doesn't mean that those specific people are inferior to the "old-school" type.....
Reply 28
Original post by kelefi
you cannot say that "the likes of me" will not be beneficial.

just because money plays a factor means that i am useless?
it means that i do not care for the people?
it means that i do not care for biology?
you think i cannot advance research?

God should save the NHS with a thought process like yours....

only due to the unstable economies is money such a big factor, you have absolutely no idea how much i love biology and how compassionate I am, and you cannot judge me over a small selection of sstatements on an online forum on a single thread!

the amount that i disagree with your stupid idiotic statement cannot be expressed, all I want to say is be less judgmental without having ANY IDEA WHATSOEVER what kind of person I am in real life!

i do care for people and have a deep passion for biology, only that money is also important to me, the only reason i justify myself is so that people dont make rash judgements and stupid statements such as you. I never get this annoyed or angry, but your statement is insulting and incorrect. just because money plays a factor doesnt mean that I do not care for the people and do not love biology.

moreover, even if someone did not love biology, if they were skilled enough and money was a good enough incentive for said person they would be able to bring forth equal advancements in research and more!

for all those ****** like arminb, i'd like to say that as we progress through economic stages and life, the human race will have different priorities but just because of those priorities doesn't mean that those specific people are inferior to the "old-school" type.....

Ever heard of something called quoting? It's good that I checked 'cause for some reason I found your post entertaining. Don't be an idiot you were ready to compromise medicine for banking if that paid more. It is a serious issue if you are one of them believe me both my mother and my father are specialist doctors. People who are only in it for the money are the kind of people who would not diagnose people with cancer to get promotions by some rich greedy bastard in the insurance company. This happens in America believe it or not. In the UK, we decided that human life is something above money and getting paid. Bevan brought us the NHS just after World War Two when the economy was seriously hit. Why? Because he believed that healthcare is a right not a privilege. He resigned when a charge was introduced for dentistry and spectacles. Healthcare is no place for rich greedy bastards like you. When you are practising, its not for the money otherwise **** off. Besides, research pays less most of the time and if you want the money probably you won't get involved in it so thats why we dont have the advancements like we used to. Do you know why antibiotics are becoming ineffective? Because there's no money in it. A treatments lasts for 2 weeks because more than that people develop resistance and hence why pharmaceutical companies aren't really keen to fund research on it.

I didnt even make firm judgements I just claimed that possibly your are one of those people who doesn't like biology but wants to become a doctor because they want money.
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Reply 29
Original post by kelefi
hey all, im only doing GCSEs right now but i have some questions;

i want to be a neurosurgeon as i thought it had a high pay but some told me it wasnt high pay? (my idea of high pay is 150k+ per annum excluding bonuses), is this true?

what are the highest paying jobs in medicine (with a high pay relatively early on)

what are other high playing jobs and what is the annual salary? e.g. investment baking?

thanks!


By the time you're a neurosurgeon youll probably be around 40 years old. There are no jobs in medicine with high pay early on. A GP will be on around 90k but it takes ~11 years to become a GP. By that time you'll be in your 30s. Investment banking you can earn a lot early on ONLY IF you get into a big firm. Medicine doesn't pay well in the UK


Reply 31
i did not say "i want to do blah blah if it pays better than medicine"

what I said whas what are some other high paying jobs, just so i can clear doubts which i had after a discussion with friends.

I understand you were not firmly classifying me as "one of those people" but my question to you is:

if i am compassionate, and love biology, does that mean i HAVE to get a low paying job?

why cant i look around for jobs which will pay well in medicine, so that I can have a good life? i dont have to live with a low salary just to go into medicine.

THAT is what is wrong with medicine these days, people think that just because someone wants money they cannot be a good specialist, that they are just hungry dogs that want money...

my only point is, please stop judging others without knowing them first. I may want good pay, but that doesnt mean that i am any worse or any better than your parents or any other person in the medical field.

ill put this to you, take someone performing surgery on someone, for arguments sake lets call it spinal surgery.

surgeon A)low pay, loves job -surgery goes well, but A thinks about his financial problems
surgeon B)high pay, loves job -surgery is an unprecedented success as B is happy in every aspect.

even if pay was the highest priority, nobody would do something they were not successful at.

if i wanted a high pay, id have to be SUCCESSFUL, as they directly correlate.

Original post by arminb
Healthcare is no place for rich greedy bastards like you. When you are practising, its not for the money otherwise **** off. Besides, research pays less most of the time and if you want the money probably you won't get involved in it so thats why we dont have the advancements like we used to. Do you know why antibiotics are becoming ineffective? Because there's no money in it. A treatments lasts for 2 weeks because more than that people develop resistance and hence why pharmaceutical companies aren't really keen to fund research on it.

I didnt even make firm judgements I just claimed that possibly your are one of those people who doesn't like biology but wants to become a doctor because they want money.


im not going into practice just for the money.

i love biology, i love science in general too, but money does play a part in my life.

im not going to have a horrible life with low pay JUST because I want to be a neurosurgeon. if i want to practice neurosurgery/neurobiological areas then i want a good pay.

your parents may be specialists, but they are specialists in an old era of medicine. as time and the economy begins to progress, maybe you will come to realise(and not be such a stubborn f****r) that money will begin to play a big part in each individual doctors life. i am not about to compromise medicine for banking, i was merely wondering which jobs had high pay, so don't be such an idiot and think that you know what i feel and want just through a text based response and question. for all you know, your parents may be specialists, but there is no way that you can think so idiotically. if i can do what i want to do well, and i want to go into medicine, why not get a good annual salary? if i was going to misdiagnose people for the money then i wouldnt suitable for medicine, i have morals and ethics my friend, but i know that if i am paid more I will be able to work harder without being so worried.

you say in the UK we decided money was unimportant? (paraphrasing), well you may know that in the start when Bevan wanted to inroduce the NHS there was a large amount of outlash as doctors WANTED MONEY. in that era, money was important, and those who could afford it were treated well, and were healthy. do not be so ignorant and think that everyone is medicine is in it just for the passion, if your parents think that then they are blind to reality. money plays a big role, just deal with it. many people go into the NHS and also want a good pay.

yes i want a good pay, but that is because i believe i will be skilled and do not want to be underpaid for what I do. if medicine was purely passion, then we'd all be dead, so dont be so idiotic and just realise the truth.

the reason we arent advancing in research? also due to the fact that as we progress more and develop better cures, we get closer to our thresholds, so we cannot progress as much as previous. you think that if we werent so concerned about money that by now we could cure cancer? im sorry but you are truly the biggest idiot i have ever met, and possibly ever will meet. I dont care about the response I get, but i want to point out that medicine is in part about the money. you don't just go into it for purely passion, yes it may be: love for biology>money>compassion, but money plays a role in it too.

i care for my own income. but i care more for the outcome of my patients. if i was given the choice to be paid £1million annually for malpractice, i would NOT do that. while money plays a part, you need to realise that (for most people) the outcome of their patients is the most important thing. even if the do not have a passion for medicine or if they are not compassionate. you do not know how compassionate I am, so do not judge so quickly.
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Original post by kelefi
i did not say "i want to do blah blah if it pays better than medicine"

what I said whas what are some other high paying jobs, just so i can clear doubts which i had after a discussion with friends.

I understand you were not firmly classifying me as "one of those people" but my question to you is:

if i am compassionate, and love biology, does that mean i HAVE to get a low paying job?

why cant i look around for jobs which will pay well in medicine, so that I can have a good life? i dont have to live with a low salary just to go into medicine.

THAT is what is wrong with medicine these days, people think that just because someone wants money they cannot be a good specialist, that they are just hungry dogs that want money...

my only point is, please stop judging others without knowing them first. I may want good pay, but that doesnt mean that i am any worse or any better than your parents or any other person in the medical field.

ill put this to you, take someone performing surgery on someone, for arguments sake lets call it spinal surgery.

surgeon A)low pay, loves job -surgery goes well, but A thinks about his financial problems
surgeon B)high pay, loves job -surgery is an unprecedented success as B is happy in every aspect.

even if pay was the highest priority, nobody would do something they were not successful at.

if i wanted a high pay, id have to be SUCCESSFUL, as they directly correlate.



im not going into practice just for the money.

i love biology, i love science in general too, but money does play a part in my life.

im not going to have a horrible life with low pay JUST because I want to be a neurosurgeon. if i want to practice neurosurgery/neurobiological areas then i want a good pay.

your parents may be specialists, but they are specialists in an old era of medicine. as time and the economy begins to progress, maybe you will come to realise(and not be such a stubborn f****r) that money will begin to play a big part in each individual doctors life. i am not about to compromise medicine for banking, i was merely wondering which jobs had high pay, so don't be such an idiot and think that you know what i feel and want just through a text based response and question. for all you know, your parents may be specialists, but there is no way that you can think so idiotically. if i can do what i want to do well, and i want to go into medicine, why not get a good annual salary? if i was going to misdiagnose people for the money then i wouldnt suitable for medicine, i have morals and ethics my friend, but i know that if i am paid more I will be able to work harder without being so worried.

you say in the UK we decided money was unimportant? (paraphrasing), well you may know that in the start when Bevan wanted to inroduce the NHS there was a large amount of outlash as doctors WANTED MONEY. in that era, money was important, and those who could afford it were treated well, and were healthy. do not be so ignorant and think that everyone is medicine is in it just for the passion, if your parents think that then they are blind to reality. money plays a big role, just deal with it. many people go into the NHS and also want a good pay.

yes i want a good pay, but that is because i believe i will be skilled and do not want to be underpaid for what I do. if medicine was purely passion, then we'd all be dead, so dont be so idiotic and just realise the truth.

the reason we arent advancing in research? also due to the fact that as we progress more and develop better cures, we get closer to our thresholds, so we cannot progress as much as previous. you think that if we werent so concerned about money that by now we could cure cancer? im sorry but you are truly the biggest idiot i have ever met, and possibly ever will meet. I dont care about the response I get, but i want to point out that medicine is in part about the money. you don't just go into it for purely passion, yes it may be: love for biology>money>compassion, but money plays a role in it too.

i care for my own income. but i care more for the outcome of my patients. if i was given the choice to be paid £1million annually for malpractice, i would NOT do that. while money plays a part, you need to realise that (for most people) the outcome of their patients is the most important thing. even if the do not have a passion for medicine or if they are not compassionate. you do not know how compassionate I am, so do not judge so quickly.

As I said. You do not have any vocation for medicine at all.
Reply 33
State why.
Reply 34
Original post by Old_Simon
As I said. You do not have any vocation for medicine at all.


I dont get why he doesnt get it. He made a thread titled high paying jobs then he says no I love billigy I just also want to get good money. It doesnt make sense. You cant have both of them at the same time. Nelson Mandella didnt say ouh I want to end the Apartheid but I also want to make good money.
You love biology then go and become a doctor and theres no question on that at this stage. You can worry about the pay once you are a doctor. If you live it then it shouldnt matter if there are other jobs that pay more. He is deluding himself.
Reply 35
first) i will become a doctor
second) i want to know about the pay now itself. so i can prepare, or take the necessary precautions and routes for medicine.
third) i was just ASKING about the other high paying jobs out there, not going to take them -_-
Reply 36
Original post by teen1234
By the time you're a neurosurgeon youll probably be around 40 years old. There are no jobs in medicine with high pay early on. A GP will be on around 90k but it takes ~11 years to become a GP. By that time you'll be in your 30s. Investment banking you can earn a lot early on ONLY IF you get into a big firm. Medicine doesn't pay well in the UK


11 years???? I thought it was four. After F1 and F2
Reply 37
Guys, i really just need some advice now.

when i said high pay, i mean 90Kish.

are you saying, that i should just not become a doctor, and should ignore that dream? instead pursuing a job i would hate?

im just going crazy here, i dream of medicine? should i just give up?
Why don't you try and learn about Biology first, study to be a doctor and then worry about what pay you're going to get. TBH you just seem focused on the money which isn't really the best way to go about things.
Reply 39
Original post by arminb
I dont get why he doesnt get it. He made a thread titled high paying jobs then he says no I love billigy I just also want to get good money. It doesnt make sense. You cant have both of them at the same time. Nelson Mandella didnt say ouh I want to end the Apartheid but I also want to make good money.
You love biology then go and become a doctor and theres no question on that at this stage. You can worry about the pay once you are a doctor. If you live it then it shouldnt matter if there are other jobs that pay more. He is deluding himself.


Incidentally he did make good money :smile:

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