ISIS in Iraq megathread

No, it's very much the point - terrorism is marked by violence, especially towards civilians, which ISIS have been committing.

Not at all, western governments are trying to cut out terrorism and so are punishing those who plan to commit terrorist attacks. If that includes ISIS, then that's because ISIS are terrorists.

Far from one said getting their say, the media is reporting what ISIS do and say - very much giving their say. It just happens that their "say" is terrorist actions and behaviour. Here is your defending them - you're denying things that are happening to avoid admitting that ISIS have committed a great number of atrocities recently.

Yeah, except these came through a spokesman for ISIS and so isn't comparable to posting a video on youtube claiming to be someone... Or if you'd prefer testimonies from those there:

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/12/iraq-isis-advance-threatens-civilians

I just think Muslims don't really realise just how well the West treats them and if America ever really did lose its top spot in the world, the Russians, the Chinese, would oppress Muslims in a very real way.

If a nuke were to be dropped from an anonymous plane.. would the world know who was responsible?

Blowing up civilians=terror, correct. The West has been doing this in parts of the World for years now. The West=terrorists to those living in those parts of the world.
I do not believe that ISIL blows up innocents as I have no reason to believe it.

The west does not intentionally target civillians, which is a big difference.

I don't think ISIL ever deliberately targeted civilians either.
Even so, I doubt the Afghan etc. families who were killed care whether you killed them by mistake or did so deliberately.
Also, it's debatable whether they do intentionally target or do not.
Also, I'd say that if they are aware 100% of collateral damage then that constitutes deliberate target.

We certainly do not 'need' to intervene. More so because there is a serious lack of education in the West regarding why the turmoil in Iraq is going on. Calling ISIL 'terrorists' and 'al-qaeda affiliated' is vague at best and overly simplistic. There is an ever ongoing feud between Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq as well as the whole Muslim world. The Iraqi government under Maliki has been categorically repressing Sunnis, as a result of which they have had to flee places like Baghdad, Basra, for Northern areas, and these places are populated with people who support ISIL purely because they detest the government. The news won't tell you any of that. It'll condense it into a 'government' versus 'extremist Islamist West-hating terrorists' argument. This war, between Shiites and Sunnis, is inevitable. I may as well add that end times seem well nigh upon us.

Silly statement
The sunni shia political disputes are beetween bagdad govt and tribal leaders
Not al qaeda fundementalists

And repression is a harsh word, sunnis are upset that many of them are banned from taking govt jobs because they in the past may have worked for the baath party they call it discrimination.

That's not true, what are you, Shia? Do you know any Sunni Iraqis who want government jobs? Most of them want no part in a hated government. I am personally acquainted with Sunni Iraqis who had to flee Baghdad to go North, and even quit Iraq altogether because they were literally being slaughtered on the streets as Baghdad amounted a Shia majority. And Saddam killed Sunnis too, not just Shias, in case you're forgetting.

That's not true, what are you, Shia? Do you know any Sunni Iraqis who want government jobs? Most of them want no part in a hated government. I am personally acquainted with Sunni Iraqis who had to flee Baghdad to go North, and even quit Iraq altogether because they were literally being slaughtered on the streets as Baghdad amounted a Shia majority. And Saddam killed Sunnis too, not just Shias, in case you're forgetting.

Silly statement
The sunni shia political disputes are beetween bagdad govt and tribal leaders
Not al qaeda fundementalists

And repression is a harsh word, sunnis are upset that many of them are banned from taking govt jobs because they in the past may have worked for the baath party they call it discrimination.

No, it's very much the point - terrorism is marked by violence, especially towards civilians, which ISIS have been committing.



Not at all, western governments are trying to cut out terrorism and so are punishing those who plan to commit terrorist attacks. If that includes ISIS, then that's because ISIS are terrorists.



Far from one said getting their say, the media is reporting what ISIS do and say - very much giving their say. It just happens that their "say" is terrorist actions and behaviour. Here is your defending them - you're denying things that are happening to avoid admitting that ISIS have committed a great number of atrocities recently.



Yeah, except these came through a spokesman for ISIS and so isn't comparable to posting a video on youtube claiming to be someone... Or if you'd prefer testimonies from those there:

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/12/iraq-isis-advance-threatens-civilians

Leave them to it, Islam the religion of peace yet 95% of religious violence is committed in the name of Islam, if they want to live in the middle ages who are we to stop them,

Lmfao. Do you have any statistics with which to support your blatant bigotry?

How often do you hear about radicalized Christians, Buddhists or Hindus blowing themselves up, bombing or cutting peoples heads off yelling in the name of god?
Not very often....

How often do you hear about radicalized Christians, Buddhists or Hindus blowing themselves up, bombing or cutting peoples heads off yelling in the name of god?
Not very often....